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  •  I think that the ACA is going to poll positive (18+ / 0-)

    popular within the next couple of weeks and it will be all over for the R's. People will realize they have been being lied to. And that generally does not go over well. And it is something that people have a tendency to remember.

    if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

    by mrsgoo on Fri Oct 18, 2013 at 10:25:59 PM PDT

    •  It may not happen that fast, but I bet that this (10+ / 0-)

      dynamic will be in play by the 2014 elections, ie. just when we need it to be in play.

      "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

      by Lawrence on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 04:26:18 AM PDT

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      •  and hopefully the dems will remember to flog (7+ / 0-)

        the shutdown blame mercilessly all through 2014.

        we need to hang that 24 billion around the neck of the GOP/T like a dead albatross, and use it to BURY them, electorally.

        Sure hope the national Democrats are listening

        America's LAST HOPE: vote the GOP OUT in 2014 elections. MAKE them LOSE the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate. Democrats move America forward - Republicans take us backward and are KILLING OUR NATION!

        by dagnome on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 06:57:58 AM PDT

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        •  It depends on "civility" (0+ / 0-)

          Dems may flog, but unless they do it in a way that the rest of the country can hear, it'll be a failure. And dems seem remarkably tonedeaf as a group (definite exceptions) to how to get their message across. It too often comes across as self righteous and patronizing, which turns off a lot of people.

          •  message discipline is one thing the Dems could lea (0+ / 0-)

            from the Goopers...

            Also, message effectiveness...

            But I guess that's what happens because we have individual thinkers who do not follow a leader like lemmings with suicide vests

            America's LAST HOPE: vote the GOP OUT in 2014 elections. MAKE them LOSE the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate. Democrats move America forward - Republicans take us backward and are KILLING OUR NATION!

            by dagnome on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:49:39 PM PDT

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            •  Sorry I'm late responding (0+ / 0-)

              I'm just learning how to find comments I missed the first time. This is very different from the livejournal site.

              At any rate, Viguerie wrote a book in (I think) the late 70s called "The New Right" where he laid out everything they were to do to win -- and it worked. He got the ideas from the New Left (hence, the phrase "The New Right.") So at one times, lefties knew what they were doing. The problem is, Dems aren't generally lefties. Despite this cozy little place where they mostly seem to be.

      •  Sad to say, but the people who can't afford ... (0+ / 0-)

        $150 to visit an urgent care center now will most likely still have to pay that amount under ACA because they will probably only be able to afford the plans that have high deductibles, no co-pays, etc.

        •  They just might be able to afford it if the (2+ / 0-)
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          subsidies or tax credits drop their premiums by a few hundred dollars a month.

          I went to the Kaiser calculator site. (I can't get onto, maybe because my exchange here in Texas is being sabotaged by the state government?) I'm a 62 yo self-employed female with  pre-existing conditions. Depending upon how much I earn, the tax credits should drop my premiums to between $800 to $1800 a YEAR; my current premiums for a plan that does NOT cover PECs is $4800+ a year. That for a plan that when I needed a tumor removed from my throat year before last, a minor outpatient operation that cost $20,000, I still ended up paying $6,000.

          Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

          by Sirenus on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 05:38:12 PM PDT

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        •  Nope (3+ / 0-)
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          JerryNA, CenPhx, cville townie

          My husband and I found a plan on, 0 deductible and $58 a month after the tax credit thingy. we bring in about 21000 a year. Indiana so no medicaid for us.

        •  Depends. (0+ / 0-)

          The second image attached to the article shows MD's Medicaid cutoff, e.g. About $27k for household of three.

          Sorry if the link is wacky, trying to do this from an iPad is frustrating.

          Thump! Bang. Whack-boing. It's dub!

          by dadadata on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 06:36:01 AM PDT

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        •  I hope you're wrong (2+ / 0-)
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          I'm not saying you are (because I haven't investigated the ACA except as a rhetorical interest) but I do hope there will be something in place; if not at first, after the dems retake the house and get a veto-proof Senate. And Bernie Sanders is elected President.

          Ironically, I never was enthusiastic concerning the ACA for the reason you describe: single payer is the way to go. But I begin to see that single payer needs to be a longterm goal, after the legions dominated by Cold War rhetoric die out.

        •  Sorry I'm late responding... (0+ / 0-)

          It's not being ill, it's my slow adaptation to new tech... but I find your comment really interesting -- quite possibly true (just like car insurance) and a real highlight of a big flaw in the ACA. I just hope it's a crack in the dam, and eventually there'll be free healthcare for all, as there should be in a country as wealthy as ours.

          Would love to hear some of your stories after ACA shakes down a little.

    •  If the website starts working, maybe (0+ / 0-)

      I just blew 4 hours trying to sign up. Big FAIL.

      Mark Twain: It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

      by Land of Enchantment on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 10:19:22 AM PDT

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    •  Polling Positive (0+ / 0-)

      I hope so. I read lots of lies, and worse, the emphasis on its failure because the program's not working as planned. Programming glitches are NOT the same as failure of an offering, and media headline writers should know that.

      The sad part is how many people aren't even trying because they've heard so many terrible things about the ACA. But those with poor to none insurance are certainly desperate enough to try it. AT which time, I do hope the Dems start publicizing that the reason the Pubs did everything in their power to keep it away from the people is because they prefer poor Americans die and middle class Americans go broke than start thinking government cooperation in their lives can be a good thing.

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