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  •  Wait, I'm confused (1+ / 0-)
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    Is this diary claiming that people like Glenn Greenwald are RW sockpuppets, and if so is it claiming that they are knowing and willing sockpuppets, or simply useful idiots? Or is it claiming that there's a campaign to discredit people like Glenn? Or something else entirely? Me confused.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 04:51:08 PM PDT

    •  The diary (3+ / 0-)
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      Iss to say that fox has been busted with a sock puppet pr campaign to discredit bloggers. The greenwald reference was to highlight this kind of orchestrated pr campaign has been used in the past by other organizations to discredit their critics inline. So in other words.. Don't believe anything ever

      "These are established professionals that have a liberal bent, but ultimately most of them if pushed will choose professional preservation over cause, such is the mentality of most business professionals" -BoA/HBGary/CoC

      by LieparDestin on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 05:00:18 PM PDT

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      •  Still confused (1+ / 0-)
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        Which bloggers are they trying to discredit and what does Greenwald have to do with this one way or another? Are they trying to discredit him and other LW critics of Obama and Dems, or using them to discredit Obama & Dems and their online supporters because they are often critical of Obama & Dems?

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 05:16:10 PM PDT

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        •  Well until (2+ / 0-)
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          the book is released we will not know exactly who they targeted. currently it just says sites big and small. as for Greenwald that was during the Wikileaks discrediting days on behalf of BOA and you can research it by googling HBGary hack.

          "These are established professionals that have a liberal bent, but ultimately most of them if pushed will choose professional preservation over cause, such is the mentality of most business professionals" -BoA/HBGary/CoC

          by LieparDestin on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 05:22:04 PM PDT

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          •  If you have no specifics then what's the point (1+ / 0-)
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            of this diary as it comes across as a CT? Given that Obama-criticizing LW bloggers like Greenwald have been attacked by people aligned with or protective of the Dem establishment and accused of being RW or libertarian shills or at least their useful idiots, I want to know just how he fits into all this.

            I can't imagine why Fox or any other RW-aligned sockpuppet outfit would want to discredit people like Greenwald, since they probably like the fact that he's been critical of Obama, even if from the opposite (i.e. legitimate) direction. To them, bloggers like him probably seem like useful idiots.

            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

            by kovie on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 05:35:20 PM PDT

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            •  Greenwald is a seperate method (1+ / 0-)
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              it was to highlight a pattern of this kind of abuse by 'puppets'. the two are unrelated except in methods used, maybe I was unclear about that. Mainly the diary is to highlight the pattern of big business using the web to manipulate public opinion, and then that opinion gets reported on as news. sorry Im not a profession blogger, I do this from the living room floor inbetween catching up on Person of Interest episodes. Ill do my best to be more concise in the future.

              "These are established professionals that have a liberal bent, but ultimately most of them if pushed will choose professional preservation over cause, such is the mentality of most business professionals" -BoA/HBGary/CoC

              by LieparDestin on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 05:40:28 PM PDT

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              •  I've contended many times here (2+ / 0-)
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                that I believe that this site has had sockpuppets, plants and shills, mainly in support of OFA and other establishment Dems, but also in support of various special interests (e.g. people who defended Wall St. during the meltdown, who were clearly plants and "strangely" not very active here anymore), but also in support of Repubs (but they're obvious and easily caught).

                However, absent hard evidence of specific such people, it's kind of pointless to discuss it at length, except to warn people to be vigilant.

                "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                by kovie on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 05:57:26 PM PDT

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          •  This is widespread and (1+ / 0-)
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            certainly not exclusive to Fox. Barrett Brown did a lot of digging on this issue and there were security companies doing this as well. It's not an accident that anything that doesn't meet the status quo gets swarmed by red herring arguments to derail the conversation.

            ~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"

            by Kristina40 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 07:21:16 PM PDT

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