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  •  The Inca lived in cities, had (3+ / 0-)
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    Le Gauchiste, ek hornbeck, Geminijen

    trade and markets, they had money; this is not a primitive society, it was a large empire.  The same holds for the Aztec and many civilisations in Africa. This is not to dismiss things, but he doesn't have the evidence ... yes, much of history is inferred, but there is historical evidence on ancient egypt, the greek city states and rome, there is historical evidence on many feudal states not only being inferred of a primary nature. Yes, there is always the danger of Whig history, but that is not the case here. He cannot write on what he does not know ... the production of bread differs in different modes of production and the amount that the lower classes got depended upon different things, usually law, custom, etc.

    "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

    by NY brit expat on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 05:01:34 PM PDT

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    •  Incas had artifacts from earlier periods and much (2+ / 0-)
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      of the earliest stuff in inferred. I think to totally leave out the primitive mode of production is as biased as the early romantization of it. If you are going to leave it out,  you should at least posit that Marx included it and then argue against it.  I think it is important in that it attempts to discuss societies before money which is the defining characteristic of capitalism.

      Another modern aspect that writes the labor theory of value out of history is the computer and linear equations which can only define value inputs and outputs in terms of  money and we pretend we are as socialists evaluating labor inputs.  These kinds of myopia from within capitalism are not helpful.

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