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  •  Isn't that convenient. (0+ / 0-)

    Any old shit you say stands until someone is able to "define exactly" in what respect you may be wrong.  

     You get to call the president "Barry" because all you need do is voice your contempt, but I have to construct an argument.

    You know what?  If I had the power to load every discussion so that I always win and you always lose, as you seem to have, I wouldn't waste it on the ability to call the president "Barry".  If I could make the rules so that I always win, I'd probably not pick out something that is limited to scoring points on a blog to impress my purist buds.  Just saying.

    "One faction of one party in one House of Congress in one branch of government doesn't get to shut down the entire government just to refight the results of an election."

    by Inland on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 12:29:54 PM PDT

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    •  So far, this is fun. (3+ / 0-)
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      The notion of using time productively brings me back to my original point, to wit, the issue at hand is the woefully poor preparation for the roll-out of the ACA and the many aspects thereof.  This is an important issue.  As the diarist related his personal experience, so others here may do so, as well as adding knowledge and opinion, all to the betterment of an informed voting public.  I didn't bring up the assumed problem with "Barry", others did.  And discussion of the use of "Barry" and the attendant claims of racism dominated the top of these comments, crowding out, as no doubt is the purpose, actual discussion of the issue at hand.  I have acknowledged elsewhere in these comments the hopelessness of attempting to combat these distractions by adding to the clutter--I suffer no illusions on that regard.  Useful discussion on dkos leading to fruitful outcomes is a thing of the past and I accept that.  I'm just here because sometimes it feels good to name something, and because the diarist's spirits may be lifted at the sight of some form of resistance.

      It is telling that you think you and I are in some kind of contest which one of us will win and one of us will lose.  Again, this is not the stuff of productive discussion of current issues; rather, the idea is that people who have something to add add what they can in hopes of pooling information, ideas, and rational analysis in order to reach optimal conclusions, disagreeing only to test one another's information and thought processes rather than to win or to lose.  But to you, of course, the only question is whether Obama's image emerges unscathed--a binary win/lose situation.

      Btw, "You are a racist" is an ad hominem attack, but in some cases a pertinent one because racism may explain perception.  When you shift the goal posts to "You're nuts," that is a second, different ad hominem attack, and I can think of no good reason for such thoughts even to be recorded.  They devolve the situation into personal insult devoid of content, which is--back to my original point--the goal of those not wishing to see lucid discussion of the Obama administration in the light of reality.

      I know that simply by participating in this nonsense, interacting with people uncommitted to honest discussion and lacking even a hint of integrity, I have already lost.  Feel free to put a gold star on your computer.  But sadly, there is little "hilarious" about the current state of affairs. posture however you will for the sake of scoring points in a dead thread.

      I eagerly await your reply, but please don't feel bad if at some point I wander away; I may get caught up in something that matters.

      Secrecy is a hot bed of vanity. - Joseph Brodsky They who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them for their blindness. – John Milton 1642

      by geomoo on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 01:52:21 PM PDT

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      •  Quite clearly ... (2+ / 0-)
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        ... the problems with logging into the exchanges and the possible even more serious problems with the core component provided by CGI Federal are of far more substantial importance than whether or not citizens of this nation are allowed to address their President "Barry".

        I almost write "citizens of this Republic" ... but then, if that was undisputed, the freedom to address our elected representatives in a familiar way would not be in question.

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        by BruceMcF on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 02:53:49 PM PDT

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      •  Sadly, no. (0+ / 0-)

        The diarist isn't relating his personal experience.  That's why he says it's both impossible to sign up, while admitting he's signed up; ignoring suggestions that he used the telephone; unable to compare prices while previous diaries stated prices he had obtained.

        Notably lacking from the diary is, of course, what he's going to pay for this insurance, because he's not admitting he's going to get any.

        Instead, we have the expression of contempt that you wholeheartedly endorse as deserved.

        But don't worry.  There's plenty of good talk about both the website and the ACA.  You're just not part of it, leading to:

        But to you, of course, the only question is whether Obama's image emerges unscathed--a binary win/lose situation.
        No, the binary situation is that if it's anti Obama, even if it's something as simple as calling him "Barry", you perceive it as a wise and diligent undertaking of serious importance, rather than empty provocation.  

        But if it makes you feel better, you can take a posture of sad resignation that you are simply prevented by me from addressing anything of substance, as if I've tied your hands and forced you to spend all your verbiage on whether or not someone can use the term "Barry" and compelling you to assume the diary raises important issues.  

        It's all our fault.  And Barry's.

        "One faction of one party in one House of Congress in one branch of government doesn't get to shut down the entire government just to refight the results of an election."

        by Inland on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 02:58:40 PM PDT

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        •  Well argued, sir. (1+ / 0-)
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          Most impressive of all is the way you make up what I or the diarist say or mean, then offer a hard-hitting response to the imagined statements.  Have you considered writing dialog for movies?

          Well, I think this has drifted far enough from reality not to merit considered response.  Good day.

          Secrecy is a hot bed of vanity. - Joseph Brodsky They who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them for their blindness. – John Milton 1642

          by geomoo on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 03:24:06 PM PDT

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