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  •  If the message influences behavior (and voting) (4+ / 0-)
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    then it will become substance.  In fact, that is the message given - it is not through doctrine or ideology but rather through faith that Christians  may be redeemed according to their beliefs.  Remember that non-believers are not the intended audience here.

    In Galatians, there is a powerful verse that states: "By the works of the law none will be justified".  This is the same Judaic law of the new testament that, over the years, has been used to justify genocide, slavery, polygamy, homophobia, and the rights of women.  For Christians (again non-believers are not subject to this by choice), the revelation of God is made living in today's context by faith in the Christ as the Redeemer.  I take this to mean that by following a self-reflective and discerning path of loving God and loving others as ourselves, as taught by Jesus, we can lay old ways, old ideologies, and old laws to rest and evolve into the context of the current times.  

    I made some jokes above about God and the Pope being democrats.  However, the real message here is that rigid institutions can change - must change - in order to maintain their relevance.  When the Catholic church is showing signs of being more nimble than the GOP to change, I think that says it all.

    Howard Dean will always be my president.

    by 4democracy on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 10:46:07 AM PDT

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    •  Correction - meant Old Testament and not New above (1+ / 0-)
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      Howard Dean will always be my president.

      by 4democracy on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 10:46:58 AM PDT

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    •  What the Pope Does or Doesn't (1+ / 0-)
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      say will have more or less ZERO impact on the millions of UNregistered voters who do not vote... this is one reason why I'm not buying the "turning America blue" baloney.

      "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

      by Superpole on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 07:20:07 AM PDT

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      •  This is important too, but off topic. (0+ / 0-)

        THe point is that the Pope may have much greater than ZERO impact on the nearly 50% of those who DO vote and are either Catholic or non-evangelical protestants.  So, to clarify, I am not Canonizing the Pope - rather, I am pointing out some writing on the wall that is very heartening if you're a democrat.  Everyday US voting Catholics have only recently become ideologues, and have always been lukewarm ideologues - they voted for Kennedy 78-21.

        However, if what you're saying is that - "yeah mmm-hmm interesting, but what does this have to do with electing more and better democrats?" - well, you have a point.
        The most important thing we can do is work to GOTV and register people to vote.  It's just nice to have a little help from above in that effort :).

        Howard Dean will always be my president.

        by 4democracy on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 12:06:16 PM PDT

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        •  I still remember when Pope John Paul (2+ / 0-)
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          gave a speech in Giants stadium about protecting the poor during the time of Ronald Reagan--a President who really needed to hear someone defending the poor ..... and the result of Reaganomics is a staggering number of poor and near poor ... including the workers at fast food restaurants who have to rely on food stamps and other federal safety net programs just to make it through the day .....

        •  Very Skeptical Still (0+ / 0-)
          I am pointing out some writing on the wall that is very heartening if you're a democrat.  Everyday US voting Catholics have only recently become ideologues, and have always been lukewarm ideologues - they voted for Kennedy 78-21.
          You've got to be kidding me.

          "Everyday voting Catholics" have in fact been arrogant ideologues for decades-- that is the very nature of catholicism and most religions in general. the catholic church's implicit/explicit philosophy "anyone who is not a catholic is going to hell" is a prime example of what I am talking about. just start there, then go on to the archaic partriarchal structure of the church, the constant judging/condemnation of gays.. need I go on?

          the Kennedy election?! 1960 right? you really expect me to believe a political event that happened over fifty years ago can be contrued to mean anything politically relevant today?

          LOL...

          yes, some catholics vote democratic, but the notion I am to be "heartened" by the current pope's PR campaign.. that that is guaranteed to lead to an increase in democratic voters-- that is a huge stretch, it's just not credible.

          the pope is not going to do the work the democratic party refuses to do.

          "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

          by Superpole on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 07:26:53 AM PDT

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