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  •  Maybe, Maybe Not (4+ / 0-)
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    vc2, cotterperson, Timaeus, Yoshimi

    We'll never know for sure but I think they knew what they were getting -- maybe not to the extent that they got it but they knew that after 35 years of JPII and BXVI they needed something different, particularly after all of Benedict's PR disasters.

    It was widely reported that what put Francis in the running was that during the pre-conclave meetings was a speech he made about the importance of being a church for the poor.  They knew about his shinning the big bishop's residence in favor of a small apartment, of his fixing his own meals, and his riding the bus.

    As I say they may not have know the degree to which he was going to change the focus and tone of the conversation but they knew there would be some changes.

    Put it another way -- when they voted for a Jesuit pope they knew the apple cart wasn't going to be pushed the same way it had been for 35 years.

    “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

    by RoIn on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 10:08:35 AM PDT

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    •  But recall that Cardinal was prominent for a long (2+ / 0-)
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      Time.  He was no. 2 in the vote that elected Ratzinger.

      •  Francis Was Also Elected Pretty Quickly (1+ / 0-)
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        I think it was only five ballots which was faster than anticipated suggesting he had a good chuck of support going into the conclave and that it only took a few ballots to get him over the needed threshold of 2/3.

        A big factor in Benedict's election was a feeling that he would be in a good position to clean up the mess in the curia.  He was seen as being in the curia but not of it.  That didn't work and as the curia problems got even worse under Benedict there was a view that they needed someone who was not even in it.

        Thus, word has been, that any cardinal associated with the curia was a non-starter as was any Italian.

        “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

        by RoIn on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 11:20:32 AM PDT

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