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  •  We want very high enrollment. (15+ / 0-)

    We want every possible person to have the freedom of knowing they can get medical care if they need it. Let the Repukes stew in the finances.

    •  In addition (8+ / 0-)

      Uninsured patients drive up the cost of health care for everyone.  Higher costs at the provider level get passed on to the insurance companies who can then increase premiums.

      It's a delicate balance for ACA to sustain itself.  It's long term affordability relies on getting everyone insured and keeping health care and insurance premium costs low.

      That's why the GOP keeps trying to poke holes in various parts of the law - even minor changes can have a rippling effect on costs.

      If cutting Social Security & Medicare benefits for low income seniors is what Democrats do after they win a bodget standoff, I'd hate to see what they do after they lose one.

      by Betty Pinson on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 11:42:25 AM PDT

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      •  Daniel Horowitz at REDSTATE.com wants ACA Stories (6+ / 0-)

        Let's give him some...some GOOD ONES.

        email this loser at daniel@madisonproject.com

        •  Screw Red State (1+ / 0-)
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          I've got better things to do with my time than hang out there.  So do you.

          If cutting Social Security & Medicare benefits for low income seniors is what Democrats do after they win a bodget standoff, I'd hate to see what they do after they lose one.

          by Betty Pinson on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 04:58:44 PM PDT

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      •  what conservatives afraid of (4+ / 0-)

        The ACA is a step in the direction of universal health care. To make it work, ultimately, we will see  more government involvement.  This is the balance

        What conservatives wanted was to privatize medicare and put control back in the hands of insurers and the free market.  This was what they did with the Advantage markets and Part D.  The results was that costs have soared and the entire system is going to crash.

        When social security was first implemented, a case can be made that it's primary benefit to the federal budget was the massive increases in new taxes  that it generated, compared to the relatively small outlays in newly generated entitlements.  Now we are seeing payments stagnant(IMHO because of the very low income maximum) with large entitlements.  

        So  the ACA is going to hopefully fund the healthcare of the old, this time by insurance fees.  Ultimately, however, we are going to have to take a look at the costs of giving everyone unlimited healthcare, and either use the government to reduce the overall cost, or limit care.  The former is better, but the AMA is very powerful.

        •  I worked for doctors 40 years ago. (1+ / 0-)
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          The fees went up when the malpractice premiums went up. Or so the doctors said. Play with that bit of information for awhile.

          •  Med Mal has been regulated into oblivion (2+ / 0-)
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            It's one of those gubmint regulations that Republicans like.  States have so severely restricted the ability of patients to sue for malpractice that its nearly impossible to bring a case these days.  

            So, yeah, consumers have taken it in the shorts on that one already.  It still didn't lower health care costs, nor insurance premiums.  Didn't make health care any safer, either.

            The current ACA has quite a few provisions built in that will keep a focus on evidence based medicine and drastically cut overtreatment, overscreening and other abusive health care practices that fleece patients and the government.

            No more mechanical scooters for everyone.

            If cutting Social Security & Medicare benefits for low income seniors is what Democrats do after they win a bodget standoff, I'd hate to see what they do after they lose one.

            by Betty Pinson on Wed Oct 23, 2013 at 05:04:06 PM PDT

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