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  •  I know tons of people, TP-haters all... (2+ / 0-)
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    mkor7, Gay CA Democrat

    that will vote Christie if the other choice is Hillary.  

    I think there will be a significant backlash against her, much of which will be obvious only when the votes are counted.  

    She's been a failure in every position she's ever had, starting with Hillary-care and ending as a mostly useless SoS, and many Americans recognize that.  

    To avoid starting dumb wars, punish the dumb people who vote for them.

    by joesig on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 01:58:27 AM PDT

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    •  Not so sure I agree (1+ / 0-)
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      with you there... I mean, I was here for the Obama bashing Hillary supporters who conveniently forgot she and Bubba played the race card with the POTUS during the primaries. But I believe that she is viewed as an effective senator, and SoS...

      No star is lost once we have seen, We always may be what we might have been. Adelaide Proctor -7.25/-5.64

      by mikejay611 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 05:51:09 AM PDT

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      •  Iraq war vote. Bankruptcy Bill. (1+ / 0-)
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        Her biggest vote by far--AUMF.  Voted wrong. Didn't even bother to read the intell.  Others paid in blood.

        Bankruptcy bill was a gift to the banks and credit card companies.  

        SoS time featured tons of results.  State was absent in Afghanistan under her.  

        But seriously: what would you list as her genuine accomplishments?

        To avoid starting dumb wars, punish the dumb people who vote for them.

        by joesig on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 11:44:34 AM PDT

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        •  I have to concur. (1+ / 0-)
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          While I appreciate the enthusiasm for the Clintons, I think a lot of it is partly "Clintonostalgia."

          Hillary doesn't have Bill's patented "I feel your pain" empathy schtick. Nor does she share the Olympian ability to virtually shrug off misogynistic attacks that women like Warren and Klobuchar have in copious amounts. She's a passionate person who does not take criticism lightly and compounds that with very visible reactions when she is angry or offended.

          And I recognize it because I share those traits with her. It's why I don't see myself ever winning for President of the United States either.

          Frankly, it's no small part of why I think McCain did so poorly either. He's got a biting sense of humor, but when he's pissed or offended? He's about as subtle as a sledgehammer. His smart@$$ comebacks can indeed be entertaining, but unlike Christie neither McCain nor Hillary get a free pass when they lose their cool on camera.

          If it were up to me? It will be Elizabeth Warren in 2016. While I like and respect Hillary, I've never bought into the argument she was a good Presidential candidate. On paper? Yes. On the campaign trail? No.

          Having said all that, yes, of course I'll vote for her if she's the nominee. (I just hope & pray she's not...)

          •  I'm with you...and I'd vote you before her. (0+ / 0-)

            Christie will beat question in my mind about it.  I'd like Warren, but it's not happening.  No strong Dem comes to mind, unfortunately.  Maybe Jerry Brown will run!  He'd actually be a great candidate with his CA results....but older than anyone.

            To avoid starting dumb wars, punish the dumb people who vote for them.

            by joesig on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 11:56:54 PM PDT

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