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  •  No one said Medicare paid for long term care (2+ / 0-)
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    tardis10, SingleVoter

    I think most people know that it doesn't.

    The scope of this discussion to restate it for those who aren't following is:

    Should low income people over the age of 55 with assets have their estates charged for routine medical services and healthcare simply because they are over 55 when someone with the same income and assets receiving the same services who is 54 receives it gratis in the same program

    We are not discussing long term care

    “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

    by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 07:58:37 AM PDT

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    •  You proposed Medicare for all (0+ / 0-)

      As the solution to the Medicaid estate-recovery. The issue of estate-recovery comes up in practice for long term care.

      And to your narrow question  which seems based on questionable information, no, it's not fair, and there should be a claim on assets for everyone covered by Medicaid for whatever reason.

      With the appropriate exemptions for surviving spouse, etc. that currently apply for old people.

      The basic point, that taxpayers should not subsidize inheritance, should still hold.

      "If Republicans were once the daddy party, now they're the abusive ex-husband with a substance abuse problem party." Henry Blodgett 11/13/2013

      by Urban Owl on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 08:28:18 AM PDT

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      •  Sorry I missed your point and it's a good one (1+ / 0-)
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        beverlywoods

        People in more enlightened countries
        than ours provide cradle to grave medical care and that is what I would desire for us.

        That removes the entire question of inheritance from the equation. A universal social contract to care for the ill in any circumstance, regardless of age or wealth simply doesn't address the issue because it doesn't have to. Those countries get their pay-off from any estate in advance by charging reasonable taxes on the wealthy while they live.

        I did use the word enlightened. We are not enlightened in this country. People spend way too much time on trying to figure out if someone "deserves" to eat or have healthcare when other countries have simply said "if they're human, they're in!".

        “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

        by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 08:41:25 AM PDT

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