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  •  Information please (8+ / 0-)

    It would be nice to have more information.  For example, there is the matter of benefits.  A wage of $25,000 per year with no benefits is very different from $25,000 with lots of benefits, including pension, paid health insurance, paid days off, and so forth.  It is not that I anticipate that Walmart is overly generous with benefits, but we need to know what they are, if any, in order to assess the full compensation of the employee.

    Second, I was a little bemused by this:

    That means less than half of them are earning $25,000, which is just within the 130 percent of the poverty line that makes a family of three eligible for food stamps.
    Why assume that those making less than $25,000 are part of a family of three with only one person working?  For a single person, $25,000 is much further away from the poverty line; and for two working spouses, making $25,000 each is not bad.  The fact that you assumed a worst-case scenario, a family of three with only one person working, makes me suspect that you are going out of your way to put Walmart in a bad light.

    For all I know, the typical Walmart employee is a single mom with two children, and she gets no benefits, and that would be bad.  But without more information, it is hard to draw any conclusions.

    •  Oh lord. If this is the best you can do in (6+ / 0-)

      defending Walmart, you have a steep hill to climb.

      1.  I don't care what benefits exist, $25,000 will barely be enough to make ends meet and provides virtually nothing to put towards improving your lot in life.

      2. There was no assumption made that all of them involve a family of 3; it was an example provided.  Besides which, a family of 3 is hardly "worse case scenario".  Rather, it's a pretty reasonable one.  There are indeed no doubt some single people involved in those numbers.  And there are some situations in which there's a second income in the family.  Then there are others where it's the only income for a family of 5 or 6 or more.

      3.  The poverty line is so low as to provide less than enough to provide the bare necessities of life.

      4.  If you're unable to draw a conclusion that a wage of less than $25,000 a year is not enough, you're simply not able to draw a conclusion.

    •  It's not the right wing rhetoric that's really (1+ / 0-)
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      annoying, it's that this has 20% of the rec's the tip jar does.

      Shit's broken here, people.

      "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

      by JesseCW on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 07:16:04 PM PDT

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    •  As the Marines like to say (1+ / 0-)
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      Is that really the hill you want to die on?

      Walmart paying their workers less than $25,000 a year?

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 07:19:11 PM PDT

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    •  yes more info (0+ / 0-)

      I couldn't agree more with the need for more information.  Numbers can make Walmart or any other topic either the good guy or bad guy.

      But lets take this article as its written;
      If you are in a job that does not have much in terms of pay, then maybe you shouldn't have three kids.  Is it our responsibility to make sure that everyone with three kids is above a certain pay level?  
      So we raise minimum wage to $20/hour?  How about $30/hour?  Where do we set the minimum wage?  Who determines the new minimum?  
      Won't prices just go up to match the increase in wages?  At the end of the day the person, with the new minimum wage, is in the same financial situation.  

      Or lets just give us lots more government support.  Maybe a guarantee from the feds that no person should be less than 400% above the poverty line.  

    •  pervasively under employed under paid employees (0+ / 0-)

      Well, these folks who fall under the above description I just listed potentially end up being helped by the govt. through medicare or food stamps to supplement their incomes.

      Anybody who pays taxes keeps those people and their families alive. So the end result is that we are subsidizing corporate profits through subsidizing their pervasively underemployed and underpaid employees food and health . Those profits derived from that strategy of having a significant amount of under employed/under paid employees could be invested overseas in substandard sweat shops.

      •  I don't see where you did this. (0+ / 0-)

        "the above description I just listed potentially ..."

        Could you please repost that info again?

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        by catilinus on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 11:39:39 AM PDT

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