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  •  Yes, early reports from Belgium remarked (4+ / 0-)

    upon how the German troops faded away as they marched into the distance.

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    by blue aardvark on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 12:10:15 PM PDT

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    •  The British Army (11+ / 0-)

      made the move to tan khaki during the Boer War in South Africa in 1899.

      And to answer ZedMont just below this comment, already at the end of the US Civil War tactics manuals were under going heavy revision as a result of experience in that war.    
            Close-order formations dating from the days of smoothbore muskets with an effective killing range of barely 50 yards had resulted in the horrible casualties of the Civil War. (That war was fought with rifled weapons that could kill at 600 to 800 yards reliably. 3X sniper telescopes were first used in the war by ranger companies. The introduction of the Spencer rifle and carbine with it's 7-shot magazines moved firepower to an unprecedented level.)

      By 1863 the US 1st and 2nd Sharpshooters (Berdan's regiments) were dressed in dark green Union uniforms with emerald green piping in order to blend into the often-forested Virginia landscape.

      Tragically, at the beginning of WWI the French military had insisted on keeping 'le pantalon rouge' as standard field uniform. German machine guns mowed them down in the early days of the Schlieffen Plan and damn near won the war in the opening 6 weeks.

      Shalom.

      "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

      by WineRev on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 02:49:09 PM PDT

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      •  Two things happened to rifles between (9+ / 0-)

        Napoleon and the Civil War.

        The rate of fire effectively doubled when powder packets were invented rather than pouring powder into the musket, and rifling increased the effective range, although for most it was less than 8x because you still had to aim well.

        At any rate, Pickett's Charge might well have carried the Union center in 1815. I ponder that from time to time - how very close we came to Southern victory in those 3 terrible days in Pennsylvania.

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        by blue aardvark on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 02:53:55 PM PDT

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        •  Needn't Worry (1+ / 0-)
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          Union Artillery would have had the same effect on Pickett's charge since shrapnel and grape shot were in use in 1815. ;)

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          by Dave925 on Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 10:38:59 PM PDT

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          •  And yet Pickett's men not only reached (2+ / 0-)
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            the wall, but crossed it - 7 times, IIRC.

            And were driven back each time, and not by cannon fire.

            All 3 of Pickett's brigadier generals were captured or killed. The same for all 9 of his colonels in charge of regiments. He himself emerged without a scratch ... hmmmm.

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            by blue aardvark on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 06:07:38 AM PDT

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            •  They did (1+ / 0-)
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              But were repulsed in hand to hand combat. One of the best parts of the film from Turner, "Gettysburg" was Richard Jordan (who would pass on soon after wrapping this film), playing Brigadier Gen. Lewis Armistad getting very close to the wall of blue only to be cut down.

              And as for that wall of Blue- many of them had participated in the foolish charge against Marye's Heights at Fredricksburg just 6 months earlier. There, the situation had been the opposite of that charge at Gettysburg and the Federal troops suffered mightily.  

              On day three at Gettysburg as the Confederates drew closer and closer, the Federal troops defending began chanting "Fredericksburg! Fredericksburg!", each chant seemingly punctuated by musket fire. Now, there's no question rifled muskets delivered an aimed round on target for a couple of hundred yards, easily, but at that range, the Rebs were still being raked by cannonade. It was when they got close and their numbers severely reduced that musketry did the most damage and then of course, the hand to hand combat where little gunfire was employed at all.

              I really don't think anything would have dislodged the Federals that day, they were simply too numerous and motivated.

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              by Dave925 on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 11:32:40 AM PDT

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