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  •  Because ACA is why they got dropped? (0+ / 0-)

    If a law induces a party to act in a certain way, and they do so, the fault is with the law. It's silly and naive to expect any party to act contrary to their own interests.

    Use a "but for" test. If a result would not have occurred but for the existence of X, then X is the cause of the result.

    But for the effects of ACA, coverage would not have been dropped. That's why ACA is at fault.

     

    •  Totally circular "reasoning". (1+ / 0-)
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      TrueBlueMajority

      It'd fit right in at FOX.

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      by nosleep4u on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 05:44:53 AM PDT

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    •  At thought... (1+ / 0-)
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      "It's silly and naive to expect any party to act contrary to their own interests."

      Which is why I am astounded that, time and again, so many voters are seduced to vote against their own economic interests. How? Basically by appealing to emotions, which Fox News does in masterful way. Tragically!

      And perhaps that is how the Republican Party became the party of the American working class.

      ...but I digress.

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      by ArcticStones on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 07:45:35 AM PDT

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    •  you act as though (0+ / 0-)

      insurance companies were not dropping people and reducing benefits BEFORE Obamacare.

      Because I assure you, they were.

      Some people are being dropped because their current plans do not cover benefits that are required to be covered by the ACA.  So their new insurance will give them MORE benefits and cost them LESS.  Why is THAT a bad thing?

      I'm angry that my old insurance that did not cover as many conditions is being cancelled and I have to get new insurance that will cover more conditions and cost me less!  It's OBAMA'S FAULT

      Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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      by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 08:15:35 AM PDT

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        •  your link supports my argument (1+ / 0-)
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          Kaiser Permanente (already notorious for cherry picking) is dropping people whose policies are inadequate, because even though Kaiser can afford it, Kaiser does not want to offer policies that offer all the benefits Obamacare covers.

          So I do not accept the premise that Kaiser was FORCED to do anything!

          as for the clip itself, there are a lot of unanswered questions there.  I don't know whether Natalie Willes is being accurate about her insurance options.  Am I taking her word for it that the plan she found that was most similar to what she had before is more expensive?  Is she eligible for a subsidy?  Did she check out the option of a higher deductible plan (which often has lower premiums) because she is young and healthy?  Anecdotes do not equal evidence.

          CBS could just as easily have chosen to do a story on a person who was being dropped and found better insurance on the exchanges.

          Let's speculate about why they did not do that

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          by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 10:28:46 AM PDT

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    •   no such thing as corporate scammers ??? (0+ / 0-)

      Why is there no such thing as corporate scammers in the delusional "Conservative" world??
      It's always "Big Government's" fault.

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