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  •  Haha (7+ / 0-)

    Give a bully dollar, and then wants a dollar and half.

    Your comment exactly illustrates it.

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 07:16:50 AM PDT

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    •  No, what I'm saying -- as is Klein -- (0+ / 0-)

      is that you have to recognize when you have the upper hand and when you don't.

      Sen. Reid had the upper hand in the shut down, and he used it and won.  

      Sen. Reid does not have the upper hand when it comes to getting rid of the sequester.  Some comments here lead me to believe that some at this site are in denial about that.  

      •  Nonsense (4+ / 0-)
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        What you're saying and doing is what Republicans do.  They puff out their chest and claim "WE have the upper hand".

        It's the bullying the always do even when they are getting their asses kicked.

        Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

        by yet another liberal on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 07:22:37 AM PDT

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        •  Yep (4+ / 0-)

          According to these chuckleheads, we HAVE TO GIVE THEM the Grand Bargain.

          No we don't. Really. The Grand Bargain is a joke on all of us. The punch line is "there are plenty of other things they could do to "save" Social Security and Medicare, but so what? Our benefactors want that cut!" and they think we're all so stupid that we'll accept that.

          NO. And bullies--on either side--can go to Hell. They'll not get their cuts without a bloody fight. Count on it, no matter what Harry says now.

          This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

          by lunachickie on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 07:35:42 AM PDT

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          •  I don't think there will be a Grand Bargain. (1+ / 0-)
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            Sen. Reid has made clear that the Senate Democrats will stand firm on that.  I believe him.  And he's being realistic -- the Democrats do not have to give in on entitlement cuts.  And given what he's said, I can't imagine that Senate Democrats will agree to entitlement cuts under any scenario, even if they could get Republicans to increase taxes, which is NOT going to happen.  (See Ezra Klein's take on that.)

            Where I disagree with some here is with the notion that Sen. Reid can get rid of the sequester, as he seems to be saying.  He can probably get Republicans to agree to flexibility in what spending is cut.  But Republicans have made clear that -- even though they don't like the defense cuts -- they are NOT going to get rid of the sequester.   I don't see any real leverage Sen. Reid has to force them to do that.  I don't see a bill to get rid of the sequester even making it past a filibuster in the Senate. And I don't see what Sen. Reid has to offer the Republicans that could make them vote to repeal the BCA. The default is the sequester, so if there's no deal, that's what we live with for the next year.  

            •  New sequester cuts fall mostly on the military... (3+ / 0-)
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              ...which it seems to me gives him some bargaining room. If the Repubs don't want those cuts, they have to give Reid something in exchange.

              •  Republicans are going to keep the cuts (1+ / 0-)
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                they've made that clear.  The Tea Party group in the House, especially -- they'd far rather keep all the cuts including defense than increase spending.  

                The people most unhappy with defense cuts are McCain and Graham in the Senate, who carry no sway with the House.  

                The notion that Republicans are so unhappy with defense cuts that they will be willing to give up the sequester or be willing to raise taxes is something only Democrats are saying.

            •  I expect him to honor his word. (3+ / 0-)
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              We should all expect that. Unfortunately, we've all been burned before. I support him in standing firm, as do millions of others. Let's see if all our support is enough.
               

              Sen. Reid has made clear that the Senate Democrats will stand firm on that.

              I won't believe that until it's all a done deal. Remember how he was going to fight for filibuster reform?

              Right. And don't think anyone is going to relax because "some say" Dems will stand firm. We'll be mounting a constant vigil to make sure they do. If they waver, they're gonna hear about it. If they try to do it in secret, they're gonna hear about it.

              No relaxing. No "I Got This, Don't Worry". Nope. Not gonna happen. They need to honor their word, period. No waffling, no qualifiers.

              This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

              by lunachickie on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 09:02:58 AM PDT

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      •  You and Klein (4+ / 0-)

        are wrong.
            Reid still has leverage because almost all the sequestration cuts in '14 are military cuts. The GOP and all their military contractor buddies that fund their campaigns want those cuts GONE. Reid's price for removing that will be ending the sequester altogether and restoring funding levels for social programs.  
            What the GOP want is to lift ONLY the military sequester, leave the rest in place, and have the Dems let them cut Soc. Sec. and Medicare. WHY would Reid or Pelosi agree to that? And with Bernie Sanders on the committee, that seems dead.
            IF the GOP walk away from Reid's offer to repeal the entire sequester, the military industrial complex will be screaming at them all through '14. Plus, the harm done to the poor will make them even LESS popular and the Dems get to run ads in military and veteran communities about how Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell are keeping them from being able to do right by their communities.

           The wave in November could be even bigger and in '15, Democrats can wave the entire sequester and return to pro-growth policies.  It's much pain to go through and I hate thinking about what it will cost the country, but this seems to me to be the only strategy that gets us back to sane policy.

        "I was not born for myself alone, but for my neighbor as well as myself."--Richard Overton, leader of the Levellers, a17th C. movement for democracy and equality during the English Civil War.

        by SouthernLeveller on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 07:54:17 AM PDT

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        •  We'll see. I think this is wrong. (1+ / 0-)
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          Reid still has leverage because almost all the sequestration cuts in '14 are military cuts. The GOP and all their military contractor buddies that fund their campaigns want those cuts GONE. Reid's price for removing that will be ending the sequester altogether and restoring funding levels for social programs.
          I agree there are a couple of Senate Republicans who think that way -- notably McCain and Graham -- but no Republicans in the House do.
           

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