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  •  Don't let the bastards get you down! (1+ / 0-)
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    Just as the waiter might grind a little pepper on your salad, I prefer to add a lite spritzing of ad-hominem zest to the discussion just to keep it mirthful rather than allow it to get bogged down in dour sniffling.  This is an RKBA thread, fergodsakes; gravitas and humility and ballroom decorum just aren't appropriate.  I mean, you don't wear black tie to Barnum & Bailey!  Loosen up a bit (and try not to step on all the elephant dung).

    This thread was never about corporate influence, or Goldman Sachs, or the NSA, or the decline of civil liberties (aside: I don't consider gun ownership a civil liberty).  Those are serious matters.  We probably are in fundamental agreement about what the problems are, even if the approach to fixing them might differ.  The gun topic, which is the topic of this thread, is one where we don't even agree about the problem.  And so we just need to relax and enjoy the flow and put the piece away.


    •  I'll relax when you realize it's your (0+ / 0-)

      position and approach to our constitutionally protected and preexisting rights that has gotten us into this mess in the first place.

      Your  conditioned compartmentalization is a plague on this nation.

      This thread was never about corporate influence, or Goldman Sachs, or the NSA, or the decline of civil liberties (aside: I don't consider gun ownership a civil liberty).
      And I'd love nothing more than to progressively move forward where rights are exercised by all, not just a select few.  

      Understand that which you espouse here has historically proven disastrous to the very goals you claim you wish this nation to move towards, excepting of course, the right to keep and bear arms.

      Alexis de Tocqueville

      In America, when the majority has once irrevocably decided a question, all discussion ceases--Reason f or this--Moral power exercised by the majority upon opinion--Democratic republics have applied despotism to the minds of men.


      I know of no country in which there is so little independence of mind and real freedom of discussion as in America.


      Such is not the course adopted by tyranny in democratic republics; there the body is left free, and the soul is enslaved. The master no longer says: "You shall think as I do or you shall die"; but he says: "You are free to think differently from me and to retain your life, your property, and all that you possess; but you are henceforth a stranger among your people. You may retain your civil rights, but they will be useless to you, for you will never be chosen by your fellow citizens if you solicit their votes; and they will affect to scorn you if you ask for their esteem. You will remain among men, but you will be deprived of the rights of mankind. Your fellow creatures will shun you like an impure being; and even those who believe in your innocence will abandon you, lest they should be shunned in their turn. Go in peace! I have given you your life, but it is an existence worse than death."

      It's your philosophy of "scorn & ridicule" that have been employed by the "Moral Majority" to deny me Equity Under Law as a transgendered woman in the majority of these "United States".  30 yrs of their bullcrap that has destroyed unions, destroyed jobs, destroyed our social safety nets, destroyed rights and gone on to kill 133,000 Americans each and every year from forced perpetual poverty while going on to kill millions more worldwide?

      And then you tell me I should just accept your position/philosophy as valid when you attempt to justify its use against others?  And that now I should "lighten up"?

      (there I got to use my new word of the day!)


      I'm sick and tired of the demagoguery that has kept us from reaching the stars and evolving past emotional blackmail and manipulation utilized through "social pressures" and now you'd have us pick up that same mantle and do the same?

      If at any point had you presented a legitimate reasoned argument, I'd have loved to debate you on it.

      Get back to me when you're ready for a good honest debate and/or discussion.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 08:09:59 PM PDT

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