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  •  Virtually every independent I know personally (10+ / 0-)

    Was once a Republican.

    IMO, they're squishy. And when well packaged Republican candidates show up, these voters vote that way, regardless of what that person actually stands for (the Washington State governor's race stands out here. Rossi and McKenna both held hard right views, but wooed independents by acting moderate. Independents don't seem to look below the veneer on these Republican candidates).

    We need good candidates, not Republican-lite candidates, but individuals who embrace and  articulate the  progressive vision well.

    And as you say, we need to get the base out.

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 11:06:07 AM PDT

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    •  I'm hardly "squishy" and packaging does (0+ / 0-)

      not overcome substance for myself or many others of my kind.

      Wonders are many, but none so wonderful as man.

      by Morgan Sandlin on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 12:09:41 PM PDT

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      •  As I said: (1+ / 0-)
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        Virtually every independent I know personally
        I worded that very carefully because I chose to not include independents who are members of this community.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 01:09:13 PM PDT

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    •  That may be the Blue State version (0+ / 0-)

      Plenty of left leaning types in Florida are NP's (No Party)--our designation for independents. Anyone who thinks we can win in Florida without the NP's is kidding themselves. On the bright side, the NP's are not necessarily conservative--especially if "conservative" means "right wing whacko".

      It may be that where Democrats are the party in power there's no percentage in admitting one is a Republican, so it may be that Floridians preference for the "NP" designation (which incidentally means you can't vote in any primary except "nonpartisan" local elections) is based on not wanting to be associated with the lesser party.

      "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

      by Alice in Florida on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 01:02:27 PM PDT

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    •  You are correct sir! (1+ / 0-)
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      n/t

    •  Well, I'm an Independent (1+ / 0-)
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      . . .but I NEVER vote Republican. Grew up in a Republican family, but Mom didn't trust Reagan, and she's canceled out Dad's vote since then. She was leaning toward McCain in 2008, when I pointed out the damage a Republican could do to our already-damaged SCOTUS.

      I am not a registered Democrat, but I almost always vote that way, since I'm pragmatic. But there isn't a party that shares my progressive values - or I should say, Dems are much better than Rethugs, but have morphed into semi-spineless moderate Republicans for the most part.

      •  Do we know each other? (0+ / 0-)

        Then my comment probably doesn't apply to you.

        (See my response to Morgan above).  

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Fri Oct 25, 2013 at 02:34:18 PM PDT

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