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  •  Sorry that's harsh (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm battling a hell of a migraine this morning so my.. mm.. internal engine is very grumpy today

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 07:31:22 AM PDT

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    •  Harsh no... (4+ / 0-)
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      Typical yes.  I am just a little grumpy myself when encountering folks who call themselves "progressives" and could not discuss the difference between the Progressive Party of 1912 and Roosevelt and the 1924 standard-bearer LaFollette.

      There is pretty big difference between the historical progressives and modern Republicans who are tired of the Michelle Bachman wing of their party.  The Progressives were all about economics so modern "progressives" who still think the fight is still about social issues are pretty much missing the point.

      •  I think we have to remember (6+ / 0-)

        That many social issues are in fact at the heart of economic issues.  Issues like womens rights, gay rights and other social issues directly correlate to the earning power of the individuals involved.

        Think about it this way:  the rules against Gay Marriage have a direct impact on the growth of wealth within a community; the current healthcare system has been an economic death march for far too many; and the destruction of unions has been a dangerous precedent in undermining the workers ability to receive fair wages.

        Also, we have to remember that the terms and meanings behind progressive have always been historically fluid; at one point it would have been for an end of indentured servitude, slavery, etc.

        :)

        Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

        by Chris Reeves on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:03:45 AM PDT

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        •  Exactly. The term is not wedded to 100 years ago, (2+ / 0-)
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          it's quite applicable today. Sure, it's misused by many people who are actually quite conservative (Blue Dog Dems, that is), but from what you've said, I think you fit the label very well.

          "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

          by Kombema on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 10:16:51 AM PDT

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        •  terms do change, but (0+ / 0-)

          marriage equality is only indirectly related to issues of economic justice. Healthcare and organized labor, however, ARE progressive issues rather than liberal ones.

          "I was not born for myself alone, but for my neighbor as well as myself."--Richard Overton, leader of the Levellers, a17th C. movement for democracy and equality during the English Civil War.

          by SouthernLeveller on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 03:09:11 PM PDT

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          •  I understand (1+ / 0-)
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            That is how people feel.   And you're right about direct connections with healthcare and organized labor.

            I would argue that while people have seen 'choice' and 'gay marriage' as simple liberal issues, the economic status conferred or forced by both is significant.... very few things change your economic outlook like a child when you can't manage it, and the inability to manage combined wealth and assets does quite a bit to stop the growth of investment by a significant population class.

            I guess it depends on the lens by which you look at it ;)

            Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

            by Chris Reeves on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 05:51:46 PM PDT

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            •  I had this to say yesterday (1+ / 0-)
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              in a thread about a transgender student in Colorado now on suicide watch:

              This is why I reject 100% the notion that "social issues are a distraction".

              Um, no. These are issues that effect real people in real ways. Same thing with reproductive rights, gun safety, racial equality, etc. In the real world there is no firewall between what are called economic and what are called social issues. They're interwoven.

              At it's core conservatism, RW ideology is all about reminding everyone of their place. This holds true whether the issue is  taxation, labor rights, reproductive rights, LGBTI rights, it bleeds into our foreign policy, and there's even a racial justice aspect to environmentalism.

              liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

              by RockyMtnLib on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 09:42:40 AM PDT

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      •  Perhaps the most relevant Progressive (5+ / 0-)

        proposal, still unaccomplished, was to end judicial supremacy by use of referendum. TR, who spoke at Osawatomie, fully understood that Lincoln was elected to ignore and disobey Dred Scott, one of the causes of the civil war. But the violence to separation of powers done by the Court in overruling Congress after Dred Scott was unabated in the gilded age, courts struck down civil rights and ignored the 14th amendment, etc. FDR's  proposal to pack the Court, was a temporary fix. TR's referendum against a usurping court needs to be enacted into law, together with legislation that addresses the hit on Progressivism in Citizens United. TR at Osawatomie went to war against plutocrat money in politics. When Obama spoke there, he left that part out. Money out of politics was the central tenet of what TR called "real democracy." Kansans in 1910 had no trouble agreeing with TR.

      •  Yes (1+ / 0-)
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        "Liberal" is more about social issues and "Progressive" is about economic justice--especially distributive justice and wealth inequality.

        "I was not born for myself alone, but for my neighbor as well as myself."--Richard Overton, leader of the Levellers, a17th C. movement for democracy and equality during the English Civil War.

        by SouthernLeveller on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 03:05:58 PM PDT

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