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  •  If you don't have (7+ / 0-)

    the actual data yourself, how can you make the argument against increasing the minimum wage?

    Roundhead's argument about an unsustainable business model stands.

    Truth is harmonious, lies are discordant.

    by Babsnc on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 08:56:49 AM PDT

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    •  I am NOT arguing against increasing (2+ / 0-)
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      the minimum wage.  I think that the minimum wage probably needs to be raised.  

      What I am saying is when you look at HOW MUCH to raise it, you need to have that kind of data to see what the economic effect would be.  Raising the minimum wage to $9, for example, is going to have a different effect than raising it to $15.    

      •  so you've been saying essentially nothing (3+ / 0-)
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        with lots of words.

        I think that needs saying.

        •  Sigh. Look back to my original post. (2+ / 0-)
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          I am trying to explain why it's illegitimate to say, as many here do, "McD's or Wendy's or Buger King makes millions a year, so they can pay $15 an hour."  It's a much more complicated analysis than that.  

          And I fully expect anyone I would send to Congress would make exactly the kind of analysis I am describing -- or rely on that kind of analysis done by someone else -- before they decide where the minimum wage should be.  I would hope everyone else would expect the same thing.  

      •  so what we infer is (0+ / 0-)

        your concerned advice, offered in good faith, of course, is worth exactly what we paid for it.

        thank  you, and have a great day!

        “Vote for the party closest to you, but work for the movement you love.” ~ Thom Hartmann 6/12/13

        by ozsea1 on Sat Oct 26, 2013 at 10:24:47 AM PDT

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      •  I think we all know that... (0+ / 0-)

        ...it's not getting raised to $15.  Not even close.

        You campaign for $15/hr in order to try to settle for more like $10-$12/hr.  There is some data for the effect of that already because some cities and states have higher minimum wages already.  But you'll never competely get data over something that cannot really be replicated, namely raising the national minimum wage across the entire country.

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