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  •  Yawn. (15+ / 0-)

    Despite dissenters to the contrary, the 2008 primary was a closely fought battle between two candidates that the vast majority of the Democratic base were proud to have as their potential standard-bearer.

    In the four years since, their work together on the international stage has been extraordinary, and demand for a Clinton presidency has reached unprecedented heights.  She had a lead in early polling last time around, but there was already demand for Obama and Edwards, too.  It was a three-way race for longer than most remember now.

    Now, she is commanding in excess of 60% when polled. That is unprecedented, as far as I can tell.  It's not 2008, a year which you don't even appear to remember correctly anyway.

    •  a battle where one side had jet bombers (1+ / 0-)
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      tanks, battleships,  and one side had a doughty
      little army of volunteers and internet donors.

      in 2004, the talk was already of Hillary in 08.
      Heck, the GOP had gone and done a whole
      movie "Hillary: the movie" just to get ready
      on her.

      heck, aside from real political junkies, nobody
      had heard of the junior senator from illinois.

      Senator Clinton could raise the mega-bucks, but,
      she couldn't achieve a decisive victory.

      While things dragged on, it was over when she
      failed to achieve victory on Super-Tuesday.

      What you fail to appreciate, in what should be a
      resource war, she utterly failed, when it proved to be
      an inability to listen.

    •  She was a capable SoS, (1+ / 0-)
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      But "Extraordinary"?  I don't remember her solving any significant problems on the world stage.  Kerry has made more progress in his short tenure as SoS than HRC did in four years.

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 10:10:12 AM PDT

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      •  Osama bin Laden = DEAD. (0+ / 0-)

        And that's what I'd use in political ads - especially photos of Hillary involved in the process to make bin Laden sleep with the fishes.

        Attack the opponents' strength - the perception of hawkish foreign policy and 'Merica, Fuck Yeah!

        You can't spell "Diane Feinstein" without "NSA".

        by varro on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 05:58:39 PM PDT

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        •  That would LOSE MY vote! (2+ / 0-)
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          Patango, Zack from the SFV

          I voted for Obama in the '08 primary because he promised to stop the all-war, all-the-time crap. He didn't follow through.

          If Hillary plays the hawk, she's vulnerable to Rand Paul--crazy as he is. America is sick and tired of war!

          "I was not born for myself alone, but for my neighbor as well as myself."--Richard Overton, leader of the Levellers, a17th C. movement for democracy and equality during the English Civil War.

          by SouthernLeveller on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 07:10:25 PM PDT

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          •  SouthernLeveller (1+ / 0-)
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            Love your diary and inside perspective , it is my favorite part of DK , the historical part is wonderful and makes it all better to understand Ky in 2013 , a beautiful part of America  

            As far as H Clinton goes , I have to look at how far right Obama has ended up , if Clinton tries to run to the RIGHT of all that , she will lose a lot of dem voters imo , and I would be one of them..Iowa blue here

            Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

            by Patango on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 09:24:55 PM PDT

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    •  She would have won easily if she'd had competent (9+ / 0-)

      political managers.

      Their fatal mistake was ignoring the caucus states. Obama took every one of those, and by the end of February in 2008 had such a commanding lead in the delegate count that Hilary literally could not beat him after that.

      Nate Silver and Chuck Todd, doing the only thing he was good at--numbers--kept pointing that out. Obama would have had to crash and burn completely to enable her to catch up. She lost the nomination in February, entirely because Mark Penn is an idiot. CNN and the rest of the media ignored all of that because they wanted to sell a horse race.

      If she had bothered to contest the caucus states she would have won.

      Another illustrative example of the Obama team doing numbers crunching: in Nevada, Hillary won the popular vote easily, but Obama won the delegate count. Why? Because David Plouffe noticed that some Nevada counties had three delegates instead of just two. He concentrated on those and won all of them. Mark Penn only cared about the popular vote.

      The popular vote is nice to have, but it has no bearing on who wins the nomination. That is determined by winning delegates.

      Mark Penn didn't notice that.

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      by Fonsia on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 12:01:48 PM PDT

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