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  •  At this point, this diary drives me to despair (11+ / 0-)

    Hippy Punching is clearly corrosive, the most substance-free comment is owned by all as representative of all who dissent or object, and all objections or protests are "purity" or "circular firing squadding". The establishment Democratic playbook that lives on like a zombie no matter how badly it fails to check let alone roll back Movement Conservatism. It is draining a lot of good people of their ability to trust many of their fellow travelers, and clearly skews one to the default to the defensive. Where is the betrayal. Where is the screwjob. Where am I being suckered, played for a chump, or used?

    How am I going to get my hopes up, and then get more Michelle Rhee, Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles, Pete Peterson, Jamie Dimon.

    When does that moment arrive where the shitty is what is the only possible outcome, and the best policy or person for the job is essentially ruled out from minute one as wanting a pony or chasing unicorns.

    I get it. I just hate how this keeps being a point we cannot get past because we keep circling back to Hippy Punching and accusations of purity trolling for not universally celebrating everything the establishment serves up as a tremendous victory that will fundamentally change the game.  

    Kos wasn't doing anything but imploring Hilary Clinton to open her eyes to the reality that somebody like her is not running a Hippy Punching, Third Way, Triangulating campaign to win Virginia and beat a reactionary thug.

    But past is present and future, so, where I am being hosed or lied to or scammed becomes the default.

    Fundamentally, the Democratic Party is responsible for it's own bad outcomes. Not the voters. You have to make an argument to win an argument, and instead we get the Sequester. The ultimate monument to neoliberal thinking on how to win without partisanship or acting ideologically in a non-Conservative way. I belong to a political party that fails, and then blames the voters for it's bad results, and wonders why it keeps ending up squandering opportunities and never has a lasting and sustained period of dominance no matter how badly the GOP epic fails.

    I don't doubt for a moment that I would probably agree on the vast majority of superior policy outcomes and candidate choices with this diarist.

    If you have reached a point where you sincerely feel you are always, somehow, being played for a chump, this is the sort of way you filter and parse information.

    I understand exactly how you came to be thinking about this this way, and I hope you are willing to, at least, consider my counter-interpretation as offered sincerely and not attacking you or belittling or diminishing your concerns in any way in the offering.


    I am a Loco-Foco. I am from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party.

    by LeftHandedMan on Sun Oct 27, 2013 at 11:56:13 PM PDT

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