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  •  Also not mentioned is how (3+ / 0-)
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    assistance programs are gamed by all sorts to improve other things.  For example my son goes to a public school that is in a middle class type neighborhood in a district that serves a middle to upper class (for the most part) city.  The school is telling parents that they should sign up for free lunch programs, although most of the parents can well afford to send lunch with the kid or pay for lunch.  

    Why, because the money that the school gets from the federal government is tied to the number of people on free lunch.  

    So, in order for the school to be able to afford updated computers, various staff and other positions, and other necessary items, the school must, in essence, lie to the government and bump up the numbers.  

    Also, evidently, just about anyone can be eligible for services.

    Another way the support system is gamed (likely by the very same republican folk that want to kill it) is falsifying paperwork.  Several years ago, we were looking for a day care to take our son to.  We went to one place and basically were told that it is for lower income folk and we may not be able to go due to it's requirement to serve that population.  As we leave, we notice people coming to pick up their kids in Hummers, BMWs and other well maintained high end vehicles.  We mentioned this to a friend that worked at other daycares and she said that the people will state false info on the documents and no one checks.    

    I think that the safety system has been rearranged by some "well meaning" politicians who have caused greater harm than good by loosening the requirements to get it and removing any fraud prevention oversite.

    The main problem I feel is that there is no enforcement teeth or system to prevent fraud.  For example my wife is a teacher and notices that most of her parents are placing their kids in free lunch, breakfast, and after school care, but often have multiple tattoos, newest cell phones, game systems (by the kids stating they play them often), smoke, and other things that seem to suggest they spend their money (usually from assistance programs since they all state they do not have jobs) on things that are not totally necessary.  Yet they act surprised when their kid can't do simple school work (add, subtract, read).  

    Shouldn't they be actually parents and pick the kid up from school, help them with home work, give them some sort of meal for breakfast, make sure the kid behaves and, I don't know, actually parent?

    I firmly believe on the need for assistance programs and unfortunately am on unemployment due to a layoff. Luckily we don't spend on the newest toys (i.e. this computer is from 2005 and, although slow still works) and my wife still works.  But she teaches in a low income serving district and is very frustrated because she is super dedicated and attempts to help every kid but gets no support from the parents and notices how they seem to be so self centered to the detriment of the kids.  

    There should be some sort of system that reduces fraud and misuse of assistance funds.  I think this would go a long way in the fight against the GOP and others who see the reality of these abuses and not the actual need.

    Before you flame attack me, I also know that the whole of the assistance system is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money going to corporate welfare and other wastes (lobbyist, military contractors, etc.).  But I think that people on the street see the "welfare" problem and the bigger problem is hidden and not "affecting" them in their day to day life.

    Two quotes I wish to live by "Strength and Honor" (Gladiator) and "Do or Do Not, There is no Try" (SW-ESB).

    by SQD35R on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 10:27:44 AM PDT

    •  you can be your own solution (6+ / 0-)

      if you know and have evidence that the school is encouraging people who don't meet the means test to sign up for free lunches and then using the money for non-food programs, report it.   There are reviews and audits, but that is usually well after the fact.  Honest people can stand up and report fraud.

      But most social welfare programs, fraud and waste are a small part of the program.   There are systems in place to catch it.  It is an excuse.   What I would call a right wing talking point.

    •  Debates aside, (2+ / 0-)
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      you are overthinking this. They just fucking lied, pure and simple. To try to pick apart the lies and distortions is a waste of time. There's no truth in there whatsoever.

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