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  •  I see nothing whatsoever wrong (0+ / 0-)

    with using federal regulatory power to impose consequences upon purported news agencies when they intentionally lie to the public. That is no more of an encroachment upon the First Amendment -- which, I regret to inform you, has been rendered all but toothless -- than censoring programming for profanity and other content deemed offensive.

    •  Fox News is a cable channel (0+ / 0-)

      and is thus not regulated for "profanity" or other "content deemed offensive."

      Also, since you apparently consider yourself an expert on the First Amendment, you probably know that poltical speech is subject to considerably higher protection under the First Amendment than, say, profanity.

      "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

      by Old Left Good Left on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 06:03:28 PM PDT

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      •  I never said I was an expert on anything. (0+ / 0-)

        I also wasn't rude to you.

        So it's OK with you that a network claiming to broadcast news deals in "political speech?" You don't think that we have the right or the duty to regulate that?

        •  No, I don't (0+ / 0-)

          And you're comment that "That is no more of an encroachment upon the First Amendment -- which, I regret to inform you, has been rendered all but toothless --" implies that you think you know something about the First Amendment.

          In fact, nothing would render the First Amendment toothless as much as your plan to regulate political speech.

          "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

          by Old Left Good Left on Mon Oct 28, 2013 at 07:46:53 PM PDT

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          •  Again, (0+ / 0-)

            they are claiming to be a news agency. Is it OK with you that they are disseminating "political speech" in the form of blatant lies and passing it off as journalism?

            If you'd get off your free-speech soapbox long enough to read my comments instead of just reacting, your argument would be a lot more coherent.

            •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

              the First Amendment protects "political speech."

              End of discussion.   Your argument otherwise--if you even have one--is so stupid that I don't even know where to begin.

              "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

              by Old Left Good Left on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 07:35:00 AM PDT

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              •  Let me try this again: (0+ / 0-)

                what they are doing IS NOT POLITICAL SPEECH. And you have the balls to call me fucking stupid when you can't even grasp that simple concept?

                •  That's nother thing you're wrong about (0+ / 0-)

                  Fox News is a right-wing propaganda machine--in other words, it is political speech.

                  And I didn't call you fucking stupid, but if the shoe fits...

                  "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

                  by Old Left Good Left on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 09:14:11 AM PDT

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                  •  When you have the word "News" (0+ / 0-)

                    in your name, you should be held to basic standards of accuracy and factual reporting, i.e. not allowed to lie. I believe wholeheartedly that as citizens and taxpayers, we have the right to have them held to those standards through Federal regulation and the imposition of appropriate consequences to those who have been proven to lie. And Fox is low-hanging fruit: they have been caught in blatant lies time and time again. You obviously believe that the FCC does not presently have that authority: if not, they should be given it.

                    Call me all the names you want: I'm not changing my position and I'm not backing down.

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