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  •  'Liberal': an all-purpose club w/ no real meaning (2+ / 0-)
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    it is "the n-word for white people".  The closest it has to a fixed definition on the (so-called) right is "race-traitor" (in much the same way, "libtard" derives as 'too stupid to know [it] is a race traitor').

    They don't care what we think;  they don't care what THEY think.  They certainly have no interest in what things actually are or what words actually mean.

    trying to stay alive 'til I reach 65!

    by chmood on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 06:12:25 AM PDT

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    •  "Free from Restraint" (3+ / 0-)

      Liberal means simply "free from restraint". Liberals who want government to enforce rules (as I do) are not truly "liberal" (as I'm not - I'm a libertarian socialist, similar to "Jeffersonian democrat"). But Conservatives (who aren't conservative, but radical, regressive, and typically innovatively fascist) have dirtied the term by meaning "personally irresponsible and collectively authoritarian".

      Until we get our terms accurate, we're never going to understand each other, even among our fellows, much less work together constructively.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 07:13:44 AM PDT

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      •  I know the definition, thanks, I read just fine (0+ / 0-)

        MY point was/is to clarify the way term is misused against the supposedly monolithic left:  I've been watching & meditating on the 'progressive' demonification of the term at the hands of the so-called right for decades now, and IF WE DON"T UNDERSTAND THE WAY PERFECTLY GOOD WORDS ARE USED AGAINST US, we'll never be able to respond appropriately/effectively.

        You want to argue that I'm wrong in my assessment of the emotional load it now carries when wielded by those who vote for Republicans, great:  I welcome your argument and supporting examples.  You want to claim that I don't know the definition of the word, I'm gone already.

        trying to stay alive 'til I reach 65!

        by chmood on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 08:28:59 AM PDT

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      •  Words do not have fixed meanings (0+ / 0-)

        "Liberal" in much of the world means "Laissez-faire free marketer". There are numerous other varieties. A Liberal Democrat is quite a different political animal from the old-time Liberal/Rockefeller Republican. Even economically ultra-liberal FDR Democrats, in alliance with the racist South, were quite different from Truman and later Democrats, who were ready to trade the Solid South for the nation's minorities in forging the new coalition.

        Then there is the usage of "Liberal" as a pejorative, even a studied insult, called out above.

        Similarly for almost any other political term. Certainly there are no Edmund "Tax and Spend" Burke Conservatives in the Republican Party.

        Mere parsimony is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be necessary for true economy. Economy is a distributive virtue, and consists not in saving but selection. Parsimony requires no providence, no sagacity, no powers of combination, no comparison, no judgment.
        Letter to a Noble Lord

        Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

        by Mokurai on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 10:02:23 AM PDT

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