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  •  I don't think so (5+ / 0-)

    What kind of sorry ass civilization are we that we can only subsist by enslaving others?  

    If cutting Social Security & Medicare benefits for low income seniors is what Democrats do after they win a budget standoff, I'd hate to see what they do after they lose one.

    by Betty Pinson on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 06:44:45 PM PDT

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    •  One that has too little work for too many people (2+ / 0-)
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      Desperation and "enslavement" are only possible because there are lots of people for every available job.

      If there were fewer people, wages would naturally rise because labor would be less of an easily acquired commodity.

      If people have less children in the future (and the ones that do exist are more highly educated on average), living standards for everyone will naturally rise over time.

      As it is, every extra child beyond a certain level is just more competition for wage, health care, and other resources with little economic productivity gained in return. Automation is eliminating the need for large varieties of workers.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 06:54:34 PM PDT

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      •  There are lots of jobs (5+ / 0-)

        just not ones that are particularly easy to make money off of. But there's plenty of work to do, stuff that's not being done because it doesn't add to the wealth of the investor class.

        "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

        by Alice in Florida on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 09:37:31 PM PDT

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      •  We have plenty of resources (2+ / 0-)
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        and the way economics ACTUALLY works is more people + more ideas = larger economy.. not this right wing idea that has taken over that the pie is X size and we must divide that up. Economists need to think like gardeners, not engineers.

        What we need are the political and social systems and ideas to make the system work.

        Free enterprise was a big step forward after feudalism died (free enterprise actually being the first system humanity had). But capitalism at its upper levels is just a new form of feudalism. And communism relies on absolute tyranny and will not work. Socialism solves some of the problems of capitalism but is counter to free enterprise and has its own problems, some as bad as capitalisms worst.

        We need great thinkers and revolutions. We need evolution in our social systems. The problem is every nation  and most of the wests population will fight to the death to stop that evolution.

        Our only other hope is space.. and it is the left that is stopping that hope. Free enterprise in space. Unlimited energy. Unlimited raw material . Unlimited space to work in. And no matter how big the human population.. human beings will always be scarce and in demand.

        A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

        by cdreid on Tue Oct 29, 2013 at 11:42:43 PM PDT

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        •  Space will be important . . . (2+ / 0-)
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          But today we are on the most marvelous blue speck and it has resources and opportunities to last, well, almost forever if we treat it well. Stewardship must improve, but our most diffcult challenges are social and intrapsychic.

          Technology allows us to create more from less and that trend will continue. Material abundance is attainable, just distribution is the knotty problem. We have allowed the "owners" to define productivity in their own interest and to dictate the rules of the game. They apportion to themselves the fruits of an extremely productive society, a whole society, and mystification and the manufacture of consent make this possible.

          I like Bucky Fuller's formulation of our task, creating an opperating manual for Spaceship Earth. We are behind the curve and need to step up our game.

          •  Sadly the world (0+ / 0-)

            and most importantly of all the US has fully embraced immorality and corruption. By that i dont mean who you sleep with or blablabla. I mean we base our system around the idea that if someone isnt cheating .... they are a failure. We rewards the cheats in business and wall street and by doing so punish those who do business ethically. We punish honest politicians by making the underhanded, immoral methods and open selling of votes profitable.

            Yes it is mostly right wing ideology but it is the upper class left too. The social extremist econo conservative left that worships wall street while screaming in agony that someone might eat meat or own a gun.

            We need a revolutionary change in or sociopolitical systems. And it wont happen in the US. The US is on the fast track to a third world nation.. or rather nations because i fully expect it to break up into smaller nations once it finally fails. And it is in its death throws now. The irony is that lefties from cali and ny and the northeast secretly cheer that as do the righties from the deep south and west. And those very people will all pay the worst penalty because despite their delusions they the most dependant on a united states and its federal government. In 100 years california will be the desert it started as and ny will be the hong kong of the americas. I shudder to think what will happen to the deep south as the population increases, federal help and interstate commerce dies and the population continues to rise

            A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

            by cdreid on Thu Oct 31, 2013 at 01:01:00 AM PDT

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