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  •  I may do this (4+ / 0-)

    I also want to point out that there are a lot of Israelis with environmental consciousness who have pretty retrograde views on the Palestinian issue.

    •  true. happily, there's Partners4ProgressiveIsreal (0+ / 0-)

      i bleeve the website is  it was Meretz USA until very recently, i believe.  

      •  What's your opinion of Haganat ha-Teva? n/t (0+ / 0-)
        •  my American opinion is irrelevant, IMHO :) (0+ / 0-)

          sorry to have found your question so late.

          over the past 4 decades or so, i've migrated to the position that people who don't have to live 24/7 and lifelong with the consequences of pressures on and within another country at the very daily level have too little immersion in the nittygritty reality to speak publicly on the issues with useful constructive productivity.

          observing the pablumized underinformed over-adrenalined nature of American and internet news, rooted in the corporate media (including internet) ownership policy of suiting its fact-searches to its commerical interests and cutting its serious journalist staff to near nonexistence in favor of bigger profit margins and ratings/popularity regardless of accuracy, i see too much voicing of opinion based on too little factuality and too little genuine experience.  i have just enough personal contacts outside the U.S. to have confirmed consistently that what the communications-rich world chooses to buzz excitedly about at any given moment is very likely to be thin on facts and heavy on believing and opining in accordance with preference rather than in accordance with inclusion of necessary facts and readiness to adapt as the facts change.

          many americans with near-east and middle-east attachments are deeply emotionally invested in participating in all sorts of decisions that have to be made in and by those societies locally, without us having to suffer the daily consequences or cope with the ramifications.

          furthermore, seeing how americans handle american issues strongly suggests that americans are too distracted by undue influences --not least our electronic toys and the constant lure and pressure to jump to and voice instantaneous opinions-- to act effectively on our own behalf (as witness the rampant gerrymandering we've permitted in so many states that even though more democratic votes were cast for house & senate seats than republican votes, a bizarre number of republicans still were elected) and therefore both our effective priorities and our qualifications to hold useful public opinions about other countries is somewhat questionable.

          given also that the educational level in this country is so far below that of so much of the rest of the world, it's arguable that americans might achieve more by privately supporting what they believe is good globally and putting more public energy and resources into repairing locally what's broken in this country so we can function as a constructive nation and a constructive people for ourselves and in the world.

          correspondingly, i don't believe american-israelis or israeli-americans with dual citizenship ought to be allowed to vote in the elections of both countries; the passport advantages and residential rights and related privileges are, i think sufficient: commit to where you live.  as i've said to some of my israeli relatives, it kind of sucks that your voting republican stops americans from having the equivalent of kupat cholim and other collectivized safetynets that israeli society provides to everyone within its service area.

          in the spirit of my own philosophy, of course, i'm quite prepared to change my mind about all the above anytime the facts so dictate.

          good talking with you.

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