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  •  I'm not so sure about that - Russia in particular (2+ / 0-)
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    with the fall of the CCCP - the robber barons own Russia. Literally.  The pensions and safety net of the soviet era are gone, old people starve and freeze to death in their homes, the poor will do almost anything to survive.  But the power brokers who own the utilities have gold plated yachts and buy the Duma. They cry against regulation and label anything not in their interest as a return to communism.

    Give China some time and they will be in the same space - even with a nominally communist government.  The growth of private enterprise in China is not oppressed, it is embraced - the strange bedfellows of private manufacturing and communist rule are frantic lovers there.  China has almost no regulation at all, part of what makes it so attractive to western markets as a  manufacturing centre.  Who cares about polluted water as long as it's not ours?  It's not going to end well for us or anyone else.

    •  That's how Russia used to be in the 90s. That (3+ / 0-)
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      was long time ago. Now the government controls Russia and to a significant extent its robber barons. Of course, the government is corrupt and often works together with robber barons (who are often government officials).

      In China government never lost control of the country to begin with. Businesses are embraced if their owners play nicely with government officials.

      So in both countries we have strong government that often works hand in hand with big business. That's not really what libertarians dream of. In fact, a significant part of Russian opposition has a libertarian worldview.

      •  I see it took just 3 comments (1+ / 0-)
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        Mortifyd

        until we heard the "No true libertarian" argument.

        If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

        by Major Kong on Thu Oct 31, 2013 at 08:34:57 PM PDT

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        •  Major K - libertarianism isn't anarchy (2+ / 0-)
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          Pluto, Victor Ward

          Is there a true libertarian government in the world?

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Thu Oct 31, 2013 at 10:47:22 PM PDT

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          •  Switzerland has a weird mix (2+ / 0-)
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            VClib, FG

            of Socialism and Libertarianism.  ...which admittedly is a bit of a paradox.

            I think overall, the closest you'd get is Ireland.

            ..and the reason Libertarianism point to to explain why there is no country with a Libertarian governing majority is the "Public Choice Theory".

            Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

            by Wisper on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 05:54:17 AM PDT

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