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  •  Here's what was said: (12+ / 0-)
    REP. MARSHA BLACKBURN, R-TN (10/30/2013): What do you say to Mark and Lucinda in my district, who had a plan, they liked it, it was affordable, but it is being terminated, and now they do not have health insurance? ... I will remind you, some people like to drive a Ford, not a Ferrari, and some people like to drink out of a red Solo Cup, not a crystal stem.  You're taking away their choice.
    The problem is, what she is saying is horse crap. What is being terminated are the "no insurance" insurance policies that aren't Fords (or Honda's) but really just pictures of Ford's and Honda's and the assurance that "don't worry, you really have a car" when you have nothing.

    Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

    by LiberalCanuck on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 06:12:43 AM PDT

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    •  Yes (7+ / 0-)

      That's true. Her implication is that people prefer to drive a Ford over a Ferrari, and frankly, that's not true. People don't prefer shitty healthcare plans.

      Which still doesn't change my point.

      •  The point is, complaints about the ACA should be.. (3+ / 0-)
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        based on verified fact, not misinfomation, hyperbole or ideology.

        I get that you don't like the ACA (a lot don't for good reason) and that single-payer is the best option, but quoting right wing talking points that don't address what is REALLY wrong with the ACA doesn't make an effective argument.  It just sounds like you have ideological reasons for opposition.

        Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

        by LiberalCanuck on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 06:42:17 AM PDT

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        •  Got Cancer? OON you go for care. (4+ / 0-)
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          OON=  "Out of Network"

          That's a fact.  These plans are very narrowly drawn.  Kind of like the old Ford Falcon.  It's not anywhere near the Single Payer we needed.

          Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare
          Americans who sign up for insurance on the state exchanges may not have access to the nation's top hospitals, Watchdog.org reports.

          Though top-ranked hospitals like Case Medical Center accept plans from dozens of private insurers, if you buy your insurance on the Obamacare exchanges your options for treatment may be limited.

          Wellpoint and Aetna's decision to not educate the public on its choices doesn't sit well with two experts.

          "There is no reason to keep that quiet. It's not going to be a good secret for very long when people want to use the plans," Wilensky said.

          "In many cases, consumers are shopping blind when it comes to what doctors and hospitals are included in their Obamacare exchange plans," said Josh Archambault, senior fellow with the think tank Foundation for Government Accountability. "These patients will be in for a rude awakening once they need care, and get stuck with a big bill for going out-of-network without realizing it."

          If the insurers aren't informing the consumers, isn't it the role of the government to protect people from them.

          If the goal of Obamacare was to protect consumers from "lousy plans" and "junk insurance" shouldn't consumers be warned about the issues surrounding these plans?

          Ted kick the tires first!
          •  in Maine (4+ / 0-)

            I was able to check which doctors and hospitals are 'in network' in my county. This was crucial for me. They are ALL included.

             Admittedly, there was nothing about fancy hospitals for specialized care. That's a question I'll be asking when I contact the new Co-op that my plan will be with.

            “Good things don’t come to those who wait. They come to those who agitate!” Julian Bond

            by Dvalkure on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 10:15:30 AM PDT

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          •  Aaaaaaaand BOJO! (1+ / 0-)
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            Again, RW propaganda has no place on this site.

            Sad that this got 5 up-rates, but not too surprising when looking at who some of the up-raters are.

            I'm a "right-wing freak show," or at least that's what one nobody on DKOS seems to think.

            by kefauver on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 03:32:23 PM PDT

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          •  That's truly horrifying (0+ / 0-)

            I will look into it, both for personal and political reasons.

            Truly, why are we asking anyone to shop blindly for a product that costs thousands of dollars a year?

            Also, why is the government subsidizing private insurers yet not imposing price controls on them? Seems to me the feds have issued a blank check to Hartford.

            •  You apparently aren't clear on how this works. (0+ / 0-)

              The insurers are limited to 15% gross profits on their group insurance plans, and 20% gross profits on their individual plans.  If they make gross profit over those amounts (which they have done for many, many years), they have to return the excess to the policy holders.

              Keeping people out of ERs for minor illnesses will hold down health care costs.

              Providing the means for individuals to seek medical attention that's covered by their insurance plan means that treatable minor illnesses will be addressed before they become major illnesses, again holding down health care costs.

              But of course, those who are looking for things to bitch about can always manufacture them.  We see that here every day ... often by the same people ... over and over.

              btw, thousands of dollars?  With the subsidy my son's getting, his annual cost out of pocket will be less than a grand.

        •  Some Kossacks are so suspicious of Ted Rall, (10+ / 0-)

          that they're quicker to pin "right wing talking points" on him , than to try and understand the entirety of his diaries. They walk into his diaries carrying two pies behind their back.

          The ACA roll-out is a fiasco, a failure in many directions. And the right-wing has been hating on it, and sharpening their knives, for more than three years now. The odds are, any complaint anyone makes about the ACA and its launch, has already been made by dozens of Republicans, and chain-mailed through the internet.

          Ted Rall has had a most frustrating experience trying to sign up for the ACA - as have millions of people across the country. He's telling his story, giving his opinions, trying to assess this whole mess.

          If the ACA website gets completely sorted out in the next few weeks, as promised - and if Ted is still bashing it after that happens - then it will be reasonable to blame him for spouting right-wing talking points.

          In the meanwhile, we'd have a much more interesting and pleasant conversation here if people didn't come in here, hungrily looking for phrases to throw their pies at (and if Ted avoided the temptation to throw the pies back, too).

          "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

          by Brecht on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 09:12:06 AM PDT

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