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  •  I voted in 2010. (9+ / 0-)

    And I donated money to State, local and federal Democrats.

    And, I had many conversations with local Democratic pols who thought 2010 was going to be bad, but not the absolute disaster it turned out to be. Even though, frankly, I could see it all around me and it was obvious.

    I have had this debate with many people. And, while I agree that the folks who didn't show up to vote have little right to complain, I do think it is the job of the Democratic party to do things with their mandate that MOTIVATE people to vote.

    In 2009-2010 the Democratic party did just about everything in it's power to tell it's core voters -- especially it's newest ones -- to go fuck themselves.

    •  yeah I can see... (2+ / 0-)
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      how the Lilly Ledbetter Act could be translated as "fuck you".

      "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

      by JackND on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 07:59:39 AM PDT

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      •  That's low hanging fruit. (6+ / 0-)

        I mean, we could have voted for the most rightwing Blue Dog Democrat you can think of, and that Presidnet would have passed Lilly Ledbetter.

        That was the BARE MINIMUM of what Obama and the Democrats should have done.

        •  in... (4+ / 0-)

          hindsight, we know that organized obstruction was planned literally on his Inauguration Day. There is no bare minimum in that environment, and every achievement (and he has had a great many) is all the more impressive.

          "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

          by JackND on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 08:05:13 AM PDT

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          •  King Pyrrhus won ever battle vs Rome (3+ / 0-)
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            But lost so many troops and materiel that he lost the war.

            I look at the results.

            Obama has the Obamacare clusterfuck, lilly leedbetter and what?

            The stimulus was inadequate. We now have sequetsration, etc. SNAP is gutted. And I listed the litany of evils being imposed upon millions of Americans around the country.

            Yes, Obama passed a few things. But, to almost no one's benefit but his own ass.

            •  all the... (6+ / 0-)

              things you list serve as examples to the obstruction I mentioned.

              And your last sentence sounds like something straight from the FOX "News" desk.

              "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

              by JackND on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 08:14:24 AM PDT

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              •  I wouldn't know. (1+ / 0-)
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                I don't watch Fox News.

                But, a skilled propagandist will get further with arguments that are true than with lies.

              •  This is exactly right. (5+ / 0-)

                Obama and Pelosi actually accomplished quite a bit in their first two years. But the opinionmakers on the Left denigrated every accomplishment to the point where all you heard from Buzzflash, CommonDreams, AlterNet, Mother Jones, The Nation, Counterpunch, Truthout and many other Left Pundit hangouts was a constant drone of Obama=FAIL. "So disappointed". That influenced the "new" Democratic voters and the independents, driving enthusiasm into negative numbers.
                So those voters stayed home.
                Some went so far as to proclaim that they did so to "Teach the Dems a lesson".
                Well, Lessons Learned: LeftyPundits are no help, the Liberal branch of the electorate is unreliable.
                We now pay for the Left's purity conniption fit with four years of Obama's incumbency wasted by GOP obstruction. With programs watered down to the point of being negligible gain.
                And the level of denial from that same Lefty Punditocracy now is staggering! I'll be lucky if this comment isn't HRd because the Left WON'T face the facts.

                If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

                by CwV on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 08:44:48 AM PDT

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                •  probably the biggest... (2+ / 0-)
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                  takeaway for Obama is this:

                  the Liberal branch of the electorate is unreliable.

                  He, being the no-drama guy he is, diudn;t call them out for their beytrayal, but rather accept the blame for the "shellacking".

                  Then, quite understandably, Obama did move even more towards the center after 2010, which that same punditry promptly compared to Clinton's "triangulation".

                  "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

                  by JackND on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 08:50:30 AM PDT

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                  •  No doubt that's what Obama thought initially (4+ / 0-)

                    But, incorrectly, as evidenced by his move to the LEFT during the general election in 2012 when he desperately needed to motivate his base to show up.

                    The correct takeaway is this: Push good, popular public policies and you will be good at governing and also popular with voters.

                    Alternatively, you can push unpopular and badly constructed public policies, which will then make you unpopular with voters.

                •  Yes, nothing says "I'm a Democrat" like (3+ / 0-)
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                  some good old-fashioned red-baiting.

                  Same as it ever was.

                  When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

                  by PhilJD on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 08:53:22 AM PDT

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                •  What did they "accomplish?" (0+ / 0-)

                  Passing a lot of legislation that sounded good, but actually didn't do a whole lot isn't an accomplishment.

                •  You're saying that "new" Democratic voters (2+ / 0-)
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                  and independents read and are influenced by LeftyPundits?

                  Evidence please?

                  •  2010. (0+ / 0-)

                    And that HR over the "TeaBagger" comment was a pile on over a misreading of what I wrote. Pure HR abuse. It seems I don't adhere to strict Lefty Principles so I'm not allowed to have an opinion. For a bunch of people who pride themselves on how Liberal they are, this is just wrong, But I lost a bar of mojo and was silenced, so, you win.

                    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

                    by CwV on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 09:51:11 AM PDT

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                    •  I'll repeat my question. (1+ / 0-)
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                      Where is your evidence that those voters were reading LeftyPundits and influenced by what those LeftyPundits were saying?  You still haven't presented any evidence to support your accusation.

                      As for the rest of what you wrote, obviously you were not silenced since you're commenting. And this:

                      It seems I don't adhere to strict Lefty Principles so I'm not allowed to have an opinion.
                      is simply wrong.  If you're going to accuse a commenter of being "one with the worst of TeaBaggerdom," then you're insulting that person and insults are HRable.  So have any opinion you want, but for all of us, our opinions don't exist in vacuums.

                      Now, I await your presentation of your evidence about the influence of LeftyPundits on "new" Democratic voters and independents in the 2010 election.

                      •  And being called a Red Baiter isn't an insult? (1+ / 0-)
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                        Why don't you HR PhilJD  for that? Because you agree with him? Or don't see that as an insult when you see a comparison of two identical positions as one? I did not call that person a TeaBagger, I was addressing the position that person was espousing from my point of view, my opinion, and for that I was silenced on that thread.
                        The subsequent pile-on of 16  other hypersensitive (but equally incompetent) readers was very informative. Now I know who I can't speak freely around.

                        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

                        by CwV on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 10:21:22 AM PDT

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                        •  Except for the minor detail that PhilJD (2+ / 0-)
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                          did not call you a red baiter, and for the minor detail that your comment very specifically said "makes you one with the worst of TeaBaggerdom," and for the minor detail that no one has silenced you, and for the minor detail that you're speaking quite freely, and for the minor detail that you're insulting in your comment here, and for the minor detail that you still have yet to provide any evidence of the influence of LeftyPundits on "new" Democrats and independents in the 2010 election,

                          everything you write is accurate.  Have a great day.

            •  If I read the data correctly SNAP is being (0+ / 0-)

              reduced, but will still be significantly higher than when the President took office in 2009. The 2009 budget was $33.5B and the expected F2014 budget, if the program is cut by $4B, would be about $43B. Here is the historical SNAP data:

              http://www.fns.usda.gov/...

              "let's talk about that"

              by VClib on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 08:52:13 AM PDT

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            •  DOMA? DODT? (3+ / 0-)
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              Got us out of Iraq

              Created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (which led to Senator Elizabeth Warren)

              A sea-buried corpse formerly known as Mr. Osama bin Laden

              Elminated Bush's ban on Stem Cell research

              A profitable US Auto industry

              Expanded Pell Grants

              Removed predatory banking from Student Loans

              DOE "Gainful Employment" regulations to target for-profit scam colleges

              New GI Bill

              EPA restrictions that accelerated the closing of 200+ coal plants

              The Nomination of Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor

              The Nomination of Supreme Court Justice Kagan

              New START Treaty

              FDA Food Safety Modernization Act

              2 million more acres of Wilderness and 1,000 miles of rivers protected via the Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009

              Signed the Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act to allow the FDA to regulate tobacco , something we've been trying to accomplish since the 1990s!

              Fair Sentencing with drug penalties of crack vs cocaine charges

              Eliminated the Star Wars nonsense from the Reagan Bush days

              Presided over an EPA that FINALLY in 2009 formerly labeled CO2 as a "pollutant"

              Killed the F-22 money-flushing jobs defense

              expanded Hate Crimes Protections

              shifted $8 BILLION in established FCC subsidies away from landline technology and into public broadband

              Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

              by Wisper on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 09:05:15 AM PDT

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              •  Oh,, I forgot a few (4+ / 0-)
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                Expanded Violence Against Women Act

                Dramatically raised CAFE standards

                Tax-incentive for hybrid plug-in cars

                FDA banned antibiotics in livestock production

                Increased Nationa Endowment for the Arts funding

                Has not yet cracked down on Colorado and Washington's Marijuana experiment

                Eliminated federal funding of abstinence only education

                Put White House strength back behind protecting ANWR

                Extended the AMT fix for 10 more years

                Allowed Medicare to negotiate drug-prices

                Made FEMA operational again

                Stepped up Mental Health coverage for veterans

                Signed a nuclear nonproliferation treaty with India

                Reversed Bush's plans for permanent military bases in Iraq

                Issued this Executive Order to put restore Scientific Integrity in government decision making

                And despite all the talk of obstructionism, Obama's first year in office had a 96.7% success rate in winning Congressional votes on his proposals.  The Legendary Congressional Wrangler LBJ previously held the record with 93%

                Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

                by Wisper on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 09:19:06 AM PDT

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                •  This is ludicrous. (1+ / 0-)
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                  All of BO's nibbling around the edges all over the place doesn't remotely compare to the accomplishments of LBJ.

                  Geez, I cannot tell you the number of nights I lost sleep over the AMT and the tax credit for electric cars- and how I partied after BO's successful nibbling.

                  It's beyond the pale to compare voting, civil rights, head start, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, gun control - just to name some major LBJ achievements, to the pittance by BO.

                  I'm just glad that dems had some presidents with some guts; we would never have these laws had BO been president at the time.

                   

                  The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

                  by dfarrah on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 10:43:40 AM PDT

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                •  All bare minimum requirement for Any Dem (0+ / 0-)

                  Bill Richardson would have done nothing different.

          •  Hindsight is bullshit. Hesiod is right. (2+ / 0-)
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            On the first day of Congress, January 2009, everyone knew:

            * Most importantly, that utter obstruction in 1993-94 had paid huge dividends for the GOP in November 1994.

            * The GOP was ridiculously obstructing Al Franken taking office as the 60th Dem Senator.

            * Dem Senator Robert Byrd was old and sick.

            * Dem Senator Ted Kennedy had been fighting brain cancer since May 2008.

            * Did I mention that utter obstruction in 1993-94 had paid huge dividends for the GOP in November 1994?

            * Oh, and that the GOP had a record of great electoral success with utterly obstructing the most recent Dem President?

            So we knew the temptation for the GOP to go obstructionist was high, and that the early signs (the Franken fight) were bad.

            We should have had our legislative agenda lined up and ready to go as soon as Franken was sworn in (July 2009). Obama, Reid, Pelosi should have called in every Blue Dog for a come-to-Jesus talk approximately like this:

            The liberal Dems in Congress have safe seats. It's your sorry asses who are gonna lose in 2010 if the Obama agenda is not a huge success. [Which, of course, is exactly what happened.] Don't you dare think about watering down healthcare, greenhouse-gas legislation, the economic stimulus. Either you get on board the damn Democratic train or there will be no post offices/bridges/highways/federal buildings for your states/districts, all legislation with your name on it will wither up and die in committee, and in 2010 the party will endorse and vigorously campaign for your more progressive opponent.

            And needless to say, the filibuster rule should have been modified on day 1, because given the uncertainty with Franken, Byrd, and Kennedy, and the always-present risk of Blue Dogs going rogue or plane crashes a la Wellstone, we knew in January 2009 we couldn't count on 60 votes for anything.

            What we needed in 2009-10 was leadership. We didn't get it.

            FWIW I always vote Dem, and I always vote. But I have no illusion that they're anything except the lesser evil. Still, getting the lesser instead of the greater evil is damn important.

            "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

            by HeyMikey on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 10:23:39 AM PDT

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            •  +1000 n/t (1+ / 0-)
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            •  you really... (0+ / 0-)

              think a Blue Dog is concerned with a threat by the national party structure to campaign for their "more progressive" opponent? What little weight that threat carried was obliterated by the results of 2010.

              Most of them are as progressive a representative as their district will elect, and dragooning them to be more liberal then the constituency they represent is not only foolish, but undemocratic. Putting ideology and moneyed interests over representing constituency is something the Republicans do, not us.

              "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

              by JackND on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 02:05:59 PM PDT

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              •  Meh. (0+ / 0-)

                You give the average voter too much credit for nuance. Here's why the Blue Dogs lost to the GOP in 2010:

                * Unemployment was stabilized but not improved. Thus the GOP could make the average voter believe the stimulus did not "work." The reason it didn't "work"--i.e., didn't reduce unemployment significantly--is that it wasn't big enough and was too poorly targeted (i.e., tax breaks instead of direct job creation or infrastructure). If unemployment had dropped significantly, the Blue Dog voters would not have given a damn about how big the stimulus was, or what its components were; they'd have voted Democratic.

                * Healthcare reform had not taken effect. A gazillion people lost their jobs, and their healthcare, in 2009-10, and Obamacare had by November 2010 done almost nothing about it. And of course all the pre-2009 flaws of the US healthcare system continued unabated. And because Obamacare had not kicked in, the GOP was free to paint it as a Socialist-tyranny-takeover that would bankrupt the country and send Granny to the Death Panels. The reason Obamacare did not kick in till 2014 was that the Dems wanted to hold the 10-year cost to under $1 trillion, to appease the Blue Dogs. If the Dems had delivered real healthcare reform before November 2010, the Blue Dog voters would not have given a damn about the projected 10-year cost; they'd have voted Democratic.

                We needed results so grossly obvious they could not be missed. We didn't get them. That's why the voters tossed us out on our asses in November 2010.

                "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

                by HeyMikey on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 02:41:18 PM PDT

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                •  I will... (0+ / 0-)

                  never, ever understand or embrace the logic that the people respond to Democrats being unsatisfactorily progressive by replacing them with Republicans.

                  "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

                  by JackND on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 02:52:30 PM PDT

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                  •  Orwell explains. (0+ / 0-)
                    In the face of terrifying dangers and golden political opportunities, people just keep on keeping on, in a sort of twilight sleep in which they are conscious of nothing except the daily round of work, family life, darts at the pub, exercising the dog, mowing the lawn, bringing home the beer, etc.

                    --George Orwell

                    I was talking this week with a highly intelligent friend of mine, so good-hearted and conscientious she's perhaps the closest thing I've met to a living saint. And she was lamenting how sick she is of "all" of the politicians on "both sides" not doing their job for the country.

                    If the GOP sabotage is not registering with her, then it sure as hell isn't registering with the mass of ordinary voters.

                    Here is the "logic" of the ordinary voter: if things are great, vote for the incumbent. If things could be better, vote for the challenger. If you're not sure, don't vote.

                    In November 2010 jobs and healthcare were not better in tangible, highly visible ways--not strong enough to penetrate Orwell's twilight sleep. That's why the Dems got their asses kicked. Given 1993-94, they should've seen it coming.

                    "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

                    by HeyMikey on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 11:29:49 AM PST

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