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  •  hollande did talk the anti-austerity game (2+ / 0-)
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    but then was timid, at best, once he took office.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 03:46:53 PM PDT

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    •  You had to know his previous incarnations (2+ / 0-)
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      to know what you were getting, and many knew what would follow, he was lucky Sarkozy was just a nasty little shit. If he [Sarkozy] had had the charm of other right wing Presidents Hollande would have been torn apart.

      "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

      by LaFeminista on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 03:50:16 PM PDT

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      •  the socialists have a peculiar history (1+ / 0-)
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        of picking candidates who can't win.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 03:52:57 PM PDT

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        •  Really bad at it in, then again I had the pleasure (2+ / 0-)
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          of actually speaking with Chirac for a few minutes [at the École Centrale de Nantes], and yes, he was utterly charming

          "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

          by LaFeminista on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 03:55:28 PM PDT

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          •  of course he was (0+ / 0-)

            aristocrats learn how to talk to the little people.

            The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

            by Laurence Lewis on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 03:57:32 PM PDT

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            •  Actually he is quite brilliant and I am used (1+ / 0-)
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              to dealing with "Aristicrats" since his grandparents were teachers

              He also mocked Sarkozy quite thoroughly and that gets some gold stars from me.

              ;-)

              "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

              by LaFeminista on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 04:02:46 PM PDT

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              •  Oh and he despised GWB so plus again (0+ / 0-)

                Like most French policians he has had his fair share of corruption scandals, Mitterrand was hardly sparkling clean either.

                "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." Arundhati Roy

                by LaFeminista on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 04:07:44 PM PDT

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                •  he wasn't born an aristocrat (0+ / 0-)

                  but he sure ended up there. sarkozy aspires to be one, but just looks ridiculous. and while chirac wasn't a le pen, and did oppose bush's iraq disaster, he was far from being liberal.

                  The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                  by Laurence Lewis on Fri Nov 01, 2013 at 04:34:57 PM PDT

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                  •  chirac was a disaster for europe. (1+ / 0-)
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                    He and Schroeder, at the same time. They´re responsible for the actual win of the intergovernmental over the federal model of Europe. That was at the summit of Nice. At the time (IIRC in 2003?) there was a model still in currency that would have repartitioned EP shares and commissioner distribution according to a strictly population based, single EU wide scheme. The reform was urgent because of the enlargement and the question was whether the enlargement would have gone through a "deepening" as it was then called, absorbing the added national interests through denationalising the common institutions, or whether it would gou through an intergovernmental negotiation circus. And it was Chirac who championed the intergovernmental route, blocked the deepening - Schroeder wasnt really for it either but wouldnt have blocked it alone. Chirac did. In response, Schroeder then retreated on a national interest position as well.

                    And with that the current european crisis was conceived, if thats the right word.

                    Proponents of the deepening route predicted it at the time: that in the face of the enlargement, standing still" would mean falling back. So falling back we are. Thanks Chirac.

                    and the extremist right reaps the benefits as La F says.

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