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  •  A live pigeon shoot is not hunting (2+ / 0-)
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    TofG, Mildly Unsuccessful Lurker

    First, I offer my comments with a couple of caveats:  
    1)  I have never participated in, or seen a live pigeon shoot.  
    2)  I don't know anybody who has ever done so (to my knowledge).
    3)  I find nothing attractive about these contests.
    I googled pigeon shoots before I wrote this because it is the kind of event written up in Victorian literature and I have seen no contemporary references.  It turns out that it is still ongoing, as an invitation only high dollar event.  Gambling is evidently a big part of it.  

    As to hunting, whatever else they may say about the event, I don't think participants claim that hunting is part of live pigeon shoots.  It's a shooting contest.  Guns are involved, but all things involving guns are not tied to hunting.  I am a hunter but not a gambler.  I have no special insights in this. Maybe a gambler could offer some.

    As to pigeons - My first job, a very long time ago, was as a gardener in an urban hospital.  Pigeon control was among the various duties.  It involved stapling up hardware cloth (1/4" galvanized wire mesh) to make nesting and roosting impossible, and placing a variety of deadly baits and traps in places where pigeons roost and nest.  The job fell to young guys like I was then because it involved a lot of climbing and hanging over the edge of things.  Pre-OSHA, that was considered to be an acceptable risk.  Anyway, pigeons were a health hazard, particularly in large flocks around the hospital.  They were treated as airborne rats, and killed in ways that were effective.  Sport, or fair chase, or animal rights had nothing to do with it.  

    I think hospitals and public health officials still consider them to be a disease vector, and still try to kill them.  There was some suggestion in the materials I found when I googled pigeon shoots that the source of the birds were these same urban environments, perhaps even hospitals.  The shoot organizers are pretty secretive, so it seems hard to tell.  If those are nuisance, even hospital, pigeons, then those pigeons were going to be killed one way or the other.  The last thing someone trapping birds around a hospital wants is the possibility that pigeons escape and use their famous homing instinct to return.

    •  I would be willing to bet (1+ / 0-)
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      that the pigeons come from local breeders.

      Some times you're the pretzel and some times you're the beer

      by Sorta Randle on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 09:34:43 AM PDT

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      •  I went to an online forum to read about them (1+ / 0-)
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        Here's a link to one of the online forums to which I went (, where a poster who seemed to have some information on them commented "At the turn of the 20th century pigeons were raised especially for shooting, "Blue Rock" pigeons were one brand. Today trapped pigeons are used, they are vermin from Cities trapped and sold. "  I certainly have no knowledge beyond what I read, and I have no basis to judge the truth of what K80Geoff writes, or its general applicability.  

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