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  •  states' rights yet again (13+ / 0-)

    Direct election of Senators is held to have somehow compromised the ability of state governments as institutions to protect their own power from Washington.  Remember that in conservative Bizarroworld, the federal government is supposed to serve and answer to the states, not the other way around.

    I hazard no guess as to what the real plutocratic agenda is, but that's what the RWers all think repealing the Seventeenth Amendment is supposed to accomplish.

    Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

    by Visceral on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 10:38:52 AM PDT

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    •  I can see the twisted appeal if people saw (11+ / 0-)

      Senators as being sent to Washington to conduct The States business as opposed to The People's business. If being a Senator were based on currying the favor of in-state powers and power brokers, then you could hold those Senators more accountable to what would be a mismash of parochial local and state interests along with global corporate interests. This is not a good thing.

      It would be a real disemboweling of national power and influence, not just within the country but internationally. I think these people really and truly want to take down the nation and replace it with a confederation of balkanized states. Because Republic!

      The Kochs and ALEC types really took the advice to Shop Locally to heart.

      “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

      by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 10:53:28 AM PDT

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      •  this is exactly their goal (5+ / 0-)
        I think these people really and truly want to take down the nation and replace it with a confederation of balkanized states.
        It's a worldview based on the belief that identity determines interests, and so only people who are the same can ever truly be friends and work together, and conversely that the farther apart two people or two groups are, the more likely they are to conflict or to submit to shared repression in the hope of preventing conflict.

        But homogeneity is held to be a true strength; supposedly people of one heart, one mind, one blood will be truly selfless towards one another - sharing what they have and eager to pull together to build something better - while being naturally and rightfully intolerant of outsiders imposing their own identity/interests on them.

        Diversity is alleged to paradoxically breed narcissism and selfishness - "I'm a snowflake!" - because for lack of common bonds, people will have nowhere to look for values and purpose but in the mirror.  From this comes social breakdown at the hands of the terminally self-absorbed - slackers, predators, as well as a plethora of social and political movements dedicated to "universalizing the particular" - alongside institutional corruption and tyranny as whichever group is dominant by virtue of numbers, money, or force naturally looks out for its own at the expense of everyone else.

        Some of them will bother to say that there's nothing in their ideal system that would stop environmentalists, black people, gays, etc. from banding together and creating their own little societies following their own rules and nobody else's, as well as forming coalitions of little societies creating networks of trade, mutual defense, etc.

        Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

        by Visceral on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 11:43:28 AM PDT

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    •  Their agenda is to bring the U.S. back to the (18+ / 0-)

      original, unamended Constitution.  Including bringing back slavery (under a sanitized new name invented by Frank Luntz) and limiting the vote to white, English-speaking, Protestant men with significant assets.  

      Of course, under the original Constitution, there was no religious qualification require to vote.   In their eyes, that was a bug, not a feature.  

      We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

      by Observerinvancouver on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 11:15:35 AM PDT

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      •  I agree with you - mostly (6+ / 0-)

        Interestingly, the slavery piece was a heated discussion amongst a couple of us the other night when we were discussing ALECs obsession  with Jefferson - cause in most instances Jefferson jsut doesn't make sense linked with ALEC.

        We are always trying to figure it out - what is the true purpose, rhetorical questions and hypothetical responses.
         We keep coming back to the point that ALEC was started by conservatives - ultra-conservatives, who didn't like the direction of the country in the early 70's.

        Going backward makes no senses to most - and trying to figure out why people want to regress instead for pro-gress is really a hard thing to try and wrap your head around.

        •  check out the "principles of '98." jefferson & (1+ / 0-)
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          MNDem999

          madison wrote them (their original name was "the virginia & kentucky resolutions") & set down tj's & jm's belief that the states could refuse to obey any laws the federal govt passed that they didn't like, & also said states had the power to intervene between their citizens & the federal govt.

          needless to say, tenthers love it.

          •  If they believed that, why did they bother (0+ / 0-)

            replacing the Articles of Confederaton with the Constitution?

            We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

            by Observerinvancouver on Sat Nov 02, 2013 at 05:29:33 PM PDT

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