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  •  Right On! (4+ / 0-)
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    I don't want DailyKos to turn into the liberal version of RedState
    We're headed that way.
    We have people that argue to support bombing Syria, chained CPI, moar gunz, moar NSA.
    Must stick to a narrow set of (invisible) guidelines otherwise you get HR'd.
    Although, if you are part of certain cliques, you get a free pass.

    If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.

    by kharma on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 07:05:23 AM PST

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    •  Actually this is part of the problem... (4+ / 0-)

      There are no 100% answers to any of the above problems.  There is no one view that is 100% right and if you think there is than you don't live in a reality based community.  Every single one of the above issues needs debating and opinions from all sides.  And anyone who HR's someone for offering a different prospective is part of the problem.

    •  kharma, here's where I disagree: (4+ / 0-)
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      "We have people [who] argue to support bombing in Syria ...."
      I am anti-war for anything less than a genocide or self defense. On the other hand, I supported President Obama's threat of a military strike because that is sometimes how things get done in a pretty violent world. Things, in fact, got done in Syria. I believe that it was in large part due to the threat of military action. Are you violently opposed to not only military action, but also the threat of military action?
      " ... chained CPI...."

      If we take everything off the table, then are we any better than RedStaters? In this case, the President was again able to offer something that he was never going to actually agree to and appear to be negotiating with the Tea Party GOP terrorists. That is part of the reason, in my opinion, the Tea Party is reviled by most of the country now. It also is partly behind the lowest polling numbers for a major political party (Republicans) in the history of polling. President Obama has, without giving in on Chained CPI, managed to look like the only adult in the room.  

      " ... moar gunz...."
      Doesn't everyone here, like me, want every gun out of every household except for one registered hunting rifle or one shotgun, with the violation of said provision being a felony? We all agree on that, right?
      " ... moar NSA...."
      This is a strawman and epic hyperbole. I've not seen a single person argue for more NSA surveillance on this site. On the other hand, I would argue that the NSA does perform some vitally important functions, including signal security for Americans around the globe and surveillance of foreign terrorists. What I would also argue is that people have gone way-hyperbolic in describing the programs' effect vis-à-vis American citizens. When there are constant references to Nazism, the East German Stasi, George Orwell and countless bad Hollywood movies in response to what amounts to the same privacy loss caused by, say, an uncalibrated post office sorting machine mistakenly opening letters in Denver for one hour, then we need to argue.  

      Rand Paul is to civil liberties as the Disney Channel is to subtle and nuanced acting.

      by Tortmaster on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 09:13:35 AM PST

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      •  Tort, we don't always agree... (3+ / 0-)

        but you make a good argument.  I agree there is a grey area on all issues, but there has to be some sensibility.  For instance guns; there is the position held here by a vocal few that we should allow everyone to have automatic weapons (ie machine guns--not just semi-automatics rifles/handguns).  There are people here that think the only problem with the NSA is that they got caught and if Snowden was in jail we would have sensible reform (where could there ever be reform without disclosure?).  There are a vocal few here that were for bombing Syria and not waiting for the inspections.  One I remember proclaims Christian values in his/her user name.  

        By all means, I support 'sensible' gun regulations.  I support a defensive military posture.  I think the NSA should monitor Al Queda and stop people like the Boston bombers.

        I agree that I presented the extreme positions, but I will tell you, no matter how extreme, you will find supporters of it right here amongst us.  

        If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.

        by kharma on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 09:55:05 AM PST

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        •  There is nothing wrong with disagreement (3+ / 0-)
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          I think what some of us are sick is the constant drone of the "You must feel x on x issue" in order to have a valid opinion.  Or being accused of having no principals...(see further down for that doozy).  We all need to have intelligent, factual conversations that keep insults out of it.

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