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    •  The Morning Will Come (11+ / 0-)

      I had this cued up before I even got here, perfect segue though:

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      “Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral. ” ― Paulo Freire

      by ActivistGuy on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 08:36:08 PM PST

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      •  Hey thanks. I had almost forgotton them! (1+ / 0-)
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        Saw them open for Bloodrock in Manhattan in about '70. I hated Bloodrock, but loved Spirit so much that I followed them out to the Island for their gig the next day.

        Only thing more infuriating than an ignorant man is one who tries to make others ignorant for his own gain. Crashing Vor

        by emmasnacker on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 05:01:01 AM PST

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    •  Juice Newton (7+ / 0-)

      was the opening act of one of the best outdoor concerts that I ever went to. BTW, Juice in no way made any impression on my, she was just there with her one song.

      But....John Prine and Hoyt Axton! OMG it was soooo good. Hoyt was fantastic and of course I love John Prine and that was the first time I had ever seen him live. Because of that I have a tiny, very small, little soft spot for Ms Newton.

      And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

      by high uintas on Sun Nov 03, 2013 at 09:02:32 PM PST

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      •  Soooo.... let's get back to insane politics. (4+ / 0-)
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        Ron Johnson. The xsshxle who applied the "Natalie's Memes" strategy in Wisconsin -- copied from the first Scott Brown campaign in Massachusetts -- to steal a Senate seat in Blue Wisconsin.

        He hates democracy. At least the form where everybody gets to vote, legislatures compromise, and bureaucracies carry out all the mundane social functions that are better addressed communally:

        "The federal government is not particularly effective or efficient at doing just about anything."
        Really ??? What utter lying bxllshxt.

        From NASA to CDC to NIH to the Agriculture Dept. to State to damn near anything, Federal offices have experienced trained workforce. Same old, same old... yeah. Routine jobs, sure.

        Competent and cost effective -- oh, yeah.

        What Johnson doesn't like is democracy. He doesn't know jack about the federal government.

        •  Constitutional Convention: Worst Idea EVER! (9+ / 0-)

          Just Great! So we get a constitutional convention in which all the Southern rural whites have a large number of delegates who will then insist on inserting mass insanity into our constitution -- like abolishing abortion rights and insisting on a union of church and state, forbidding federal deficits and stem cell research. That and every other single imbecilic right wing idea they've come up with since the 18th century. Just exactly what America needs right now! A runaway constitutional convention full of full blown lunatics at war with the modern age and hankering for a lost past when rural white men ran everything.

          What could go wrong?

          The Constitution we have may be old and creaky, but at least it wasn't written by Joe the Plummer, Sarah Palin or the Koch Brothers!

          •  Large populated areas would need majority say (3+ / 0-)
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            That would need to be the basic requirement to start. Actually, this is a big part of the problem as it is. While I'd like to see some revisions to the constitution, even as it stands minority opinions in the Senate for instance, as mentioned in the article, have far more influence than they should. But you have a bit of a chicken and egg problem because that almost seems to require changing the constitution to fix problems like that. Nor will I be part of an America which is no longer secular. Most of the principles of the constitution are valid and must be held, if not strengthened.

            I would be interested in seeing how other countries allow the minority voice to potentially rise to the top if they can sway the majority that they are wrong on something. I hold a minority view on a couple things and I'd want to know that there would be a path towards making my case and giving it time to be fairly considered. But otherwise, majority rules.

            One other requirement I see is to have is that we would need to require some extensive civics and historical educational requirement for anyone who participates in the process and a straightforward logical regimen in place for them to work under. We'd even need the masses to be somewhat educated on facts and proposals which they may need to vote on. We cannot have a bunch of know-nothing yahoos who couldn't cite credible evidence if their lives depended on it being part of the conversation.

          •  Agree (2+ / 0-)
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            And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

            by high uintas on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 08:12:25 AM PST

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          •  I share your fears, (1+ / 0-)
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            but a CC would require two thirds of the state legislatures to allow it to happen, and there would surely be some pre-conditions on the CC to getting those states to sign on. And the CC's proposed changes would have to be approved by three fourths of the states.

            So, it seems like a CC would have to stay clear of any hot button issues, and concentrate on procedural reform to have any chance to suceed.

            Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

            by RhodeIslandAspie on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 09:29:09 AM PST

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          •  Agreed. (1+ / 0-)
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            JeffW

            A constitutional convention wouldn't do much at this stage for our country, especially with half of the states still being controlled by the GOP/Tea Party.

            As bad as things are, many of our problems could easily be fixed with a few amendments to the constitution. Here's my list:

            Amendment 1: Eliminate gerrymandering by appointing a non-partisian commission to do the redistricting process for the entire country. That would give us a House that is more representative of the country as a whole vs just whichever party was able to gerrymander the best.

            Amendment 2: Term limits for judges. Go home Scalia, you're drunk (on power).

            Amendment 3: Campaign finance reform. Go home Koch brothers, no one likes you. And take your money with you.

            That's just the start. But that would go a long way to fixing a lot of problems in this country. You're welcome America. :-)

            Wendy Davis for TX Governor, 2014!

            by GleninCA on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 12:57:10 PM PST

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        •  Federal Government (3+ / 0-)
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          "has never done anything". Nothing, starting with opening up the Cumberland Road (1790's, just after the Constitution passed), planning the Erie Canal (1820's), passing the Homestead Act, subsidizing the Transcontinental Railroads, establishing the National Parks (1900's), creating the TVA and Columbia River Projects (1930's)--just to mention older (and, for the right, non-controversial [I hope]) initiatives.

    •  Is it the Constitution, (1+ / 0-)
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      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 04:58:08 AM PST

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