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  •  Start arresting their CO's for insubordination (31+ / 0-)

    A few courts-martial and years-long sentences to Leavenworth should discourage civil rights violations.

    •  My thoughts exactly. (7+ / 0-)

      "I was not born for myself alone, but for my neighbor as well as myself."--Richard Overton, leader of the Levellers, a17th C. movement for democracy and equality during the English Civil War. for healthcare coverage in Kentucky

      by SouthernLeveller on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 09:03:11 AM PST

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    •  I'm not sure it is the Guard commanders (4+ / 0-)
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      but rather the anti-gay bigoted politicians wearing the flag (confederate, of course) and calling themselves Americans.  In other words, the political leadership of those states.  They're making a "stand" to endear themselves to the anti-gay Tea Party activists (and others) who they think will support them.  Until the funding ends.  

      The Guard Officers have no choice under the UCMJ to disobey, however the politicians are not subject the the UCMJ and can make all the disgusting pig-like sounds they want to. Eventually they're going to be brought to heel by the checkbook, but will have made their "stand' with their base and get extra points for defying "big Gubmint" (and that Kenyan in the White House).  

      A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. -Carl Sagan

      by jo fish on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 09:22:58 AM PST

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      •  Correct. NG would have to be federalized (4+ / 0-)

        The politicians, as civilians, can't be court martialed, but if the National Guard in those states are federalized, then any officer refusing to implement the new DOD regulations on same sex spouses (eg. issuing ID cards) could be tried.

        "Lesbian and gay people are a permanent part of the American workforce, who currently have no protection from the arbitrary abuse of their rights on the job." --Coretta Scott King

        by craigkg on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 09:27:29 AM PST

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      •  Ah, but the top officers, the AGs, are political! (2+ / 0-)
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        Some have pretty marginal military qualifications for the assumed rank they hold as seen in this comment I made a few minutes ago. The NG has long been a cesspool of state politics and, particularly in the South due to such nasty federal requirements as there are, states have often formed true state militias without federal funding:

        The SCSG acts in a support role for the National Guard, law enforcement and other state, county and municipal agencies during times of emergency. The State Guard is managed by the South Carolina Military Department under the direction of the Adjutant General. Its Commander in Chief is the governor of the State of South Carolina.
        Not all are "anti federal" in nature or are in the South and they have their own association, but some of the deep red state gurards have taken on a distinctly neo Confederate taint.

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

        by pelagicray on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 09:47:51 AM PST

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        •  But, if they get Federalized... (0+ / 0-)

          the Chain of Command becomes Federal, Gov is no longer C in C, the Pres is.  The AG gets to carry off the Governor in his chair if so ordered.  

          As a practical matter, it won't happen with this administration. Rest assured that pressure will be applied.

          ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

          by NevDem on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 11:39:28 AM PST

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          •  Not sure the AG was federalized in the old (0+ / 0-)

            desegregation cases. The active units and their officers, generally a bit more tied to the "real" military than the political AGs, were. Have to check. There would be no need to include the AG. They are not federalized when NG units deploy in our recent wars. Note that the issue given by one state, Mississippi I believe, was "state property" for those armories and that could get a bit entangled in "property rights" legal battles.

            Since even the jumped up politicos that have been appointed to some, as with Georgia, it might be possible to recall them to active duty in some cases and then see what happens. Deploy them as an "Army of one" with a sidearm to Kandahar Province maybe? Air deploy them sans chute from 10,000 feet? Seriously, I doubt it will take those types of drastic actions.

            The millions in funds are good leverage and can even "become an issue" without a lot of formal action if people start putting their minds to making delay the deadliest form of denial. "Sorry, the shutdown . . . bogged down . . . paperwork . . . it may be lost . . ."

            The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

            by pelagicray on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 12:09:15 PM PST

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    •  Yeah, those state AGs do have a U.S. military (4+ / 0-)

      commission somewhere in their hip pockets, though some really, really get jumped up as with Capt. Butterworth to Lt. Gen. in the Georgia State Defense Force. One piece, screams: "BLOODBATH AT GEORGIA NATIONAL GUARD GOV. NATHAN DEAL FIRES GEN. TERRY NESBITT APPOINTS STATE SENATOR AND FORMER CAPTAIN JIM BUTTERWORTH AS NEW T.A.G.":

      Nathan Deal has tapped State Sen. Jim Butterworth, a former captain, who resigned in 2002 after refusing to be a guinea pig for the forced anthrax shots, for the top job. Regulations bar non-field grade officers from being considered for the TAG position, so the Republican legislator will enter the Georgia Militia, be promoted to major, and then jumped up to two-star rank.
      As another piece put it
      Having said that, since the federal government is footing the bill for most of the operations and equipment, perhaps it is time for Congress to revisit the issue of qualifications for state adjutants.
      That is an understatement! Perhaps it is time to reconsider whether the Guard should even get federal funds and those should not be diverted into a very much beefed reserve system with prestige and benefits to really retain good people.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 09:26:00 AM PST

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    •  Can't. It isn't insubordination. (0+ / 0-)

      The governors can say and do whatever they want.  The AG's (if they want to keep their rank, and pay, and budgets) will fall in line with DOD.

      They are state employees until they are mobilized.  And they can not be mobilized for the purposes of UCMJ action.

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