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  •  This is exactly why so many progressives (9+ / 0-)

    supported single-payer/Medicare for all approaches, or the Bismarck system (Germany's not-for-profit public/private synthesis).

    And yes, I am going to say "I told you so". Because I did.

    •  But we got what we had the votes to do. (4+ / 0-)

      It was this or the old system. We'll either go backward to the bad old days, or we'll go forward to a single payer. That's my prediction. And I don't think many people want to go backwards.

      Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

      by RhodeIslandAspie on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 08:48:22 AM PST

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      •  I agree with you. Unfortunately, we're going to (5+ / 0-)

        have to see a lot of this before we move forward. I guess what I was saying is that many of us armchair pundits foresaw this and a lot of our well-meaning comrades refused to even discuss these possibilities.

      •  if we go forward to single payer, (4+ / 0-)

        it will be because the ACA ends up screwing people over so badly that they demand a wholesale reform of the system, booting private insurers out of it once and for all. Not because it showed people how awesome public health care was and led them to demand bigger changes.

        That is the Myth of Incremental Progress, which says that all big changes are a sum of very small changes over a long period of time.

        But not everything works this way. When it was created, Medicare was supposed to be expanded to those under retirement age--and it's popular, more popular than the ACA is or ever will be--but it didn't happen. Instead it was privatized bit by bit, and now with the ACA they've taken a big step towards privatizing the whole thing.

        The ACA IS a huge step backward. Requiring every single American to purchase private insurance, and providing government subsidies to ensure those companies have an additional revenue stream, is the opposite of publicly funded health care. Why should anyone pretend otherwise?

        The votes were not the problem; the complicity of our bought politicians was. Obama simply did what was easiest for him politically, and the product was an industry bill that ensured the insurance companies would expand their market and that all the other middlemen in our healthcare-industrial complex would get a cut. Now we're going to reap what we sowed.

        It won't be pretty, let me tell you.

        "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

        by limpidglass on Mon Nov 04, 2013 at 09:22:43 AM PST

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