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  •  I wonder... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...if England had stayed Catholic would their brand of capitalism (which metastasized in America) be less rapacious?

    •  No, not at all - I think it would have been worse (3+ / 0-)
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      Don't forget the rapaciousness of the Catholic Church overall.  They aren't just the institution that protects pedophile priests, although I'm quite sure they likely practiced that for centuries before victims started talking about abuse by the clergy.  They currently own more land than any person or organization in the world because, like other religious cults do today (and for which they are criticized), members died and left their money and property to the church in their wills.  The Catholic Church owns a huge number of classical art pieces, particularly from the Renaissance period.  I doubt if anyone knows the extent of the value of the art alone.  Mostly, it's priceless.

      Then there's a matter of the Inquisitions and burnings at the stake, etc., that would have continued for any protestants if Henry VIII had not been so desperate for a divorce from Catherine of Aragon that he declared himself head of the Church in England so he could divorce her and marry Anne Boleyn.  When his daughter, Bloody Mary, became queen, she had more people put to death over the issue of religion during the five years of her reign in an attempt to re-establish Catholicism as the government-imposed religion than Elizabeth I did in the next 45 years of her reign (1558-1603) for any reason.  Bloody Mary's childlessness and early death from uterine cancer was a blessing.

      Buuuuuuuuut, then the whole religious nonsense started all over again when James I became king, religious wars started and continued decade after decade..., and that's when one branch of my family from Doncaster, Yorkshire went to Leiden, Holland where the Separatists formed a little colony.  The Dutch tolerated other religions without its government imposing any religion on anyone so it was the only country where there was some kind of religious tolerance.  My ancestor stayed in Holland, his brother was the first governor of Plymouth Plantation and died some four months later from heat stroke and his wife followed two or three months later.  Wm Bradford was the next governor and he mentions Gov. John Carver and the circumstances surrounding their deaths.  The son of my ancestor, nephew of the first governor, came to Massachusetts a few years later and it's from his line I can trace one line of my English roots.  I have several others from different parts of England.  Like many others, I am also a descendant of Edward Doty of the Mayflower (he was quite a rascal) who sired a large family and most lived to adulthood and had children.  Actually, I'm doubly descended from Edward and his wife.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 12:01:40 AM PST

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