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  •  I'm no longer a practicing RC (14+ / 0-)

    but I am thrilled with this pontiff, as he has brought to the forefront, once again, all those things I grew up learning in the age of liberation theology:  humility, service, social justice, compassion, empathy, etc.  Had the RCC not taken the hard right with JPII, I might still be with them.  I sincerely hope that the RCC returns to all the things I loved about the church.  It won't make me return (my journey has evolved since then), but I happily and joyously welcome its return to those tenets I came to love and believe in.

    The older I get and the more I learn, the more ready I will be to fucking trash your bullshit position.

    by TigerMom on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 06:44:37 PM PST

    •  Me too, TigerMom (6+ / 0-)

      This is just how I feel and your experience mirrors mine.

      When I read this question today in another article: "On remarried divorcees, who under the current rules are not allowed to receive Holy Communion in a Catholic church, the questionnaire asks: "Do they feel marginalised or suffer from the impossibility of receiving the sacraments?"

      I know someone who continues to suffer and she is elderly now. I literally choked up that the question was even being asked.

    •  Agree (3+ / 0-)
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      Lawrence, Dretutz, TigerMom

      I do not believe in a god, but I always state that I agree with the morality I was taught throughout my 13 years of catholic schooling.  At that time, aside from abortion, I was taught the golden rule and a sense of moral responsibility for others, especially charity.  In those days, we even had a daily collection for the "mission babies" (ie, needy children helped through catholic charities).      

      •  The church brought me face to face with Christ (1+ / 0-)
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        TigerMom

        and his gospel of love and forgiveness.  I will be forever grateful for that, unfortunately I was a pretty smart kid and recognized the hypocrisy of the RC church immediately.  Pope Francis does appear to be returning to the original gospel and it's original mission, to tend to the needs of all God's children.  

        •  His gospel of "love and forgivenss" (0+ / 0-)

          did not extend to people in towns who rejected his messages or his disciples' visits.

          All of the Christian message boils down to "believe and accept this ONE cosmic explanation or face the wrath of God".  Jesus not only agreed with this message, he supported it many times in his "teachings".

          Why do people just ignore that part of the stories?

      •  Catholic charities have one goal in mind... (0+ / 0-)

        to create more catholics.  If you think there is any other goals, you are not paying attention.   However, your translation of the goals as lofty most likely has more to do with your own internal humanism than anything else.  In other words, if you had never attended catholic schools, you still would have been a caring, moral and charitable person.

    •  I stand next to you - same profile (2+ / 0-)
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      TigerMom, mickey

      learned from good nuns and priests about the one message of the New Testament - Love.  Just Love.  And the Beatitudes.  And throwing the money changers out of the temple.  And the parable of the loaves and fishes.  And Jesus befriending Mary Magdalene - likely a prostitute.  And Jesus and Lazarus.  And Jesus and his beloved Apostle, John, etc.

      The church left us.

      I was a star altar boy and always the youngest in my classes in a very small country parish - I was loved beyond measure by the nuns.  My one and only Diary here at Kos is a tribute to one special nun who took me under her wings.  She was a very special person in my life - so many years ago.

      Peace & Love

      •  It might help to read ALL of the (0+ / 0-)

        content of the gospels.  Jesus did NOT love everyone and was not above condemning people he never even met to everlasting torture.  If that is "all about love" then I must have missed another defintion of the word.

        And by the way, what is so "loving" and "inclusive" about salvation?

        •  I am not a believer (0+ / 0-)

          You are barking up the wrong tree.  There is a disconnect that I cannot begin to explain in your comment.  I have been sitting here giving your comment some thought.  It is incomprehensible to me.  There is a hidden agenda being promulgated.

          Peace & Love

          •  Oh it's not a hidden agenda at all... (0+ / 0-)

            It's very straight forward. Comments on this thread are rife with theological claims about the nature of Jesus and Christianity in relation to the supposed niceness of the new pope.  I used to be a Christian, but left when I thoroughly read the bible and gospels and discovered that there's a lot of nastiness in it ...and that includes the nature of what the character called Jesus represents.  So I address these claims when I read them.   Maybe you are feeling the disconnect between what is presented about Jesus and what is actually in the texts too??  Or you just don't feel that people's religious ideas should be held to the same standards as all other ideas?

            •  Parables are not to be taken literally (0+ / 0-)
              •  I'm not talking about parables. (0+ / 0-)

                I'm talking about the narratives of the life, preaching and actions of the character referred to as "Jesus Christ" and who anyone properly called a Christian hangs their hat on as representing salvation as a cosmic explanation. The comments make this man out to be a standard bearer for morality and peace and goodness etc. etc...  

                This character, according to these gospels, not only believed in the concept of hell, but endorsed it and threatened it.  

                Now how can someone portray him as a representative of ultimate morality, when, in my view, eternal torture or even the threat of it is very immoral?  

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