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  •  You first need to address that problem (0+ / 0-)


    Annual per capita emissions of greenhouse gases

    The only reason Canada ranks so high is because of the tars sands oil of which most of goes to the US to feed Americans insatiable need for cheap gasoline.

    The US got rich on cheap hydrocarbons and the world is now paying for this. The US owes big time.

    CO2 responsibility 1950-2000Clean up the mess at home first. Stop pigging out on the world's resources.

    •  exactly. that's why we need to reduce livestock (1+ / 0-)
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      production in the US...not increase it to export

      Macca's Meatless Monday

      by VL Baker on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 10:10:49 AM PST

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      •  First you need to stop eating it and stop (0+ / 0-)

        encouraging emerging markets to increase their consumption.

        Don't you see the hypocrisy of your demands? The real problems of excessive consumption originated in the US AND remain so.

      •  You can't make that statement until you come (0+ / 0-)

        with specific information on emissions characterization on the amount of emissions per unit of production for each meat production system in each of the United States and Canada.

        For example, enteric methane emission determination depends on the efficiency of production....the number of days that it takes to raise livestock to a production weight.   In order to have a valid basis for comparison, you have to have a review of each animal agriculture production system in both counties to determine the amount of CO2e emission equivalents per unit of produced live weight.

        However, you are unlikely to ever make or consider this type of emission comparison because you are ideologically tied to using only the 2006 UN long shadow report which as your fundamental source which does not break out agriculture production systems by country and type.

        •  You also need to consider the long term (0+ / 0-)

          environmental and health impacts of the feed stock, antibiotics, hormones and waste product management that are required to increase meat production rates to the levels found in the US.

          American and Canadian food production use a tremendous amount of hydrocarbons in their production. Much, much greater that developing countries. Currently, China is just beginning to change from small hog production methods to the larger factory production that is typical of Western countries. The Smithfield operation will be the largest Chinese owned operation.

          You need to take into consideration how we ended up where we now are. The developed countries are solely responsible for the current high emission baseline so they must also take financial responsibility to ameliorate it. Americans are still excessive consumers of products that contribute to greenhouse emissions. There is a direct correlation between the two.

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