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  •  Vegetarianism is all good and fine (1+ / 0-)
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    Claudius Bombarnac

    and we should all eat less meat  anyways. But this has nothing to do with the scare-quoted 'China!' that gets invoked over and over again in this diary.

    And you still haven't addressed my point- pork production causes ~3x less greenhouse gases than beef:
    http://static.ewg.org/...
    In fact, pork production emits less GHG than cheese production. If you eat cheese- you are contributing more GHG than the pork eater. If greenhouse gas is your concern then you need to start talking about beef consumption. And that is solidly an american problem, not a chinese one.

    •  been writing about all meat consumption here (0+ / 0-)

      for over 5 years.  i'm vegan and agree all meat and animal products are major contributors to climate change.

      Macca's Meatless Monday

      by VL Baker on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 11:54:50 AM PST

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    •  I've looked up and down (0+ / 0-)

      I've searched all over
      I still don't see you addressing my question about coal .
      Until you can be bothered to actually answer the question ,
      I'll just say your game playing is just all hot air and worthless .

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

      by indycam on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 12:04:01 PM PST

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      •  This diary says nothing about coal, that's why I (0+ / 0-)

        decided to not get sidetracked.

        •  I never said the diary mentioned coal (0+ / 0-)

          I asked you a question that you still have not answered .

          Are you going to use the same argument for coal exports or are you not ?

          Coal exports to China is a good thing, no?
          I am not sure why this is spun as such a negative thing. Yes, I understand that coal production is a dirty process that needs to be regulated. But that is neither here nor there. Coal export to China (or anywhere else) is a good thing for America and american workers.

          If not , why not ?

          "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

          by indycam on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 01:45:05 PM PST

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          •  Coal is the most polluting energy source (0+ / 0-)

            Also- there are alternatives to coal. that's why coal is not a good thing whether it is consumed here or anywhere else. Also- we have greatly reduced our own coal use, so now we are in a position to help others do the same.  Most importantly, if I was writing a diary about coal mining, I would focus on how much coal is being dug out of the ground. It doesn't matter one whit to me whether it is chinese corporations doing that digging, or american corporations.  That is a pointless diversion designed to demonize an 'other'.

            Now pork is not the most carbon intensive meat. Lamb and beef are.  To overlook the american consumption of beef, while criticizing a chinese corporation that tries to sell the less polluting alternative to chinese consumers is plain hypocrisy. Unlike fossil fuel in the ground or raising of ruminants, the raising of pigs is not inherently a polluting activity. In fact, if done properly, your pigs could recycle a lot of stuff that is headed to the landfills. So while it does take energy to raise hogs and slaughter hogs you could say the same thing about pretty much all human activities. I am not into the 'austerity' school of environmentalism. The school which regards all human economic activities as detrimental.  Environmentalism as a straitjacket will never sell. I'd rather embrace a more positive environmentalism of possibilities.

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