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  •  OK, I are a Virginian (35+ / 0-)

    and here is what I will say.

    TMcA was a lousy candidate. It's a miracle we won with him. Most votes for TMcA in my opinion were anti-Kook votes.

    TMcA made no visible effort to court the youth vote so it is no wonder they did not turn out. The ground game in vital NVA was mediocre, period. I got not a single call from a TMcA phone bank.

    The Dems in VA are not big on yard signs, but IMHO this is  bad policy. The yard signs may not vote but they do build momentum, and we badly needed momentum in this off year. No one offered me a sign, when I went to the office to get them the office was closed or they had none.

    So that's my two cents. The Kook should have lost big and we just squeeked through. TMcA delivered money, but elections still are more than money.

    •  Thanks for these insights behind the data. (6+ / 0-)

      I think your comment should be block quoted up into Kos' diary. It's that useful.

    •  Invaluable insight reported from ground-level. n/t (5+ / 0-)

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      by lotlizard on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 12:33:07 PM PST

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    •  I'll disagree a bit... (10+ / 0-)

      The ground game was on, and early. Our neighborhood was walked back in May or June, in which a volunteer asked us to fill out these cards of support for Gov.-Elect McAulliffe and the Democratic Party. Those cards came back in the mail on Saturday as a reminder to vote. Also, on Saturday, our door had a sticky-type note attached to it, which showed the Democratic sample ballot and again reminding us about Tuesday. Northern Virginia was not ignored.

      The Republican brand: "Consequences, schmonsequences, as long as I'm rich"

      by D in Northern Virginia on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 12:46:22 PM PST

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    •  Have to somewhat disagree. (1+ / 0-)
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      Yard signs. With few exceptions the younger voters have a negative reaction to those things. They are "old politics" and for many another sign of total waste as most get trashed and not even recycled. I react to those masses of road signs the same way I do to ten "OPEN HOUSE -->" clustered illegally on the road—slug brain level, carnival barker level empty hype.

      For much of the target groups you mention electronic is probably the best, but that is 90% counterproductive for me and also the young in my family (all solid "progressives") because they have become spam begging $$$ things. Sign the petition? Ha! The one to tell Cruz to "stop"? Oh sure, "Cat, stop eating meat!" Ah, but the real reason is the "Contribute" button!

      And we make fun of the TP/GOP making up shit to raise money!

      Instead of fund raising disguised as information, as probably >95% of the e-mail flooding my box (and deleted on sight of "contribute") was, a true information network and GOTV electronic communication environment might do some real good. That is not to say fundraising should just stop. It is to say that I and many others become turned of to the begging e-mail from a district we've never heard of or to "Tell a cat not to eat meat! Send $$" with damn thin substance otherwise should be reconsidered.

      I suspect most of us, even those of us not terribly hurt by the economy, give what we can targeted as we can. Personally, I have less to target because I am helping my younger family members more as they have been hit over and over by economic losses.

      Not tying every message to "give" just might make for more effective messaging.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 01:22:12 PM PST

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      •  NOT talking about road signs (1+ / 0-)
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        Talking about yard signs in people's own yards. I know they are not allowed by many HOAs but I am on a well-traveled road and have no HOA.

        I was not contacted once. NOT once, Not by mail not by phone. Not for money not to volunteer not to vote. Not once.

        OK I am a good Democrat, but where was the GOTV to get me to the polls? I am in a CRUCIAL county for turnout.

        When I was more active we did better than this in LOCAL elections for pity sake.

        •  Know you weren't talking about road signs. (0+ / 0-)

          Yard signs seem to have about the same effect on the "youth vote" which you do mention as road signs—zilch or ridicule. Both seem to, if anything, have a negative effect. I would venture that yard signs are almost purely for the "elderly" for most. Interesting observation of my neighborhood is that if there is a yard sign there are grey heads seen in the yard and driveways with a couple of exceptions (I've been interested in the phenomenon for years).

          I don't know where you live so I've no idea why, only that in my Fairfax County area my experience was different. Twice had people knocking on my door, once for McAuliffe and once for the local candidate for Delegate. Got frequent e-mail from FCDC, many with considerable more substance than the fake petition crap that caused me to change settings on a couple of Democratic organizations straight to junk.

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 02:09:06 PM PST

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