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  •  imagine a world where it's only Coke/Pepsi (5+ / 0-)

    and both of them get worse and worse each year. If those are our only two choices then...what if?

    what if one of them (the Republican one) starts putting in sewer water, full of whatever's in sewers? And what if the other one doesn't...but just flavors it to taste like sewer water?

    In that sort of situation (and remember, those are our only choices) should we just shut up about how awful both are? Or should we smile and say "we like it!" when we're drinking our sewer water flavored beverage?

    Dear NSA: I am only joking.

    by Shahryar on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 12:13:45 PM PST

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    •  Democrats at least stand for something. (2+ / 0-)
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      Looking at Republican House, the GOP stands for nothing. They don't introduce any ideas; they just shoot ideas down.

      The two parties are quite dissimilar in that way.

      If the GOP doesn't want to govern, they should just fucking go home and suck their thumbs.

      -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

      by sunbro on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 01:07:50 PM PST

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      •  I believe you and I stand for something (3+ / 0-)

        but I feel the party leaders do not. When I was reading the many "Why I am a Democrat" diaries I kept thinking that the things we believe in, the way we want this country to be, are less important to our elected Democrats.

        I would love to see those people write they they are Democrats. And then there needs to be a way to hold them to it.

        I really feel that it's an unnecessary chore to hold them to being true Democrats, though. Why in the world should we have to keep hammering our own? Just so they'll vote the right way, so they'll stand up to the Republicans? If we have to force them to act right then maybe we need different Democrats in office.

        Which is why I get so frustrated with what goes on.

        Dear NSA: I am only joking.

        by Shahryar on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 01:58:52 PM PST

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      •  Thoroughly disagree (1+ / 0-)
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        The reason the Republicans are allowed to inflict their nihilistic policies on the country is because the Democrats stand out of their way after the elections are over.  

        Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

        by Big River Bandido on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 02:39:16 PM PST

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        •  So GOP gerrymandered districts, (1+ / 0-)
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          and GOP voter-suppression have had no effect on American politics, yes?

          It's just because the Democratic politicians aren't doing their jobs that we can't get any legislation passed or nominations through?

          -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

          by sunbro on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 02:46:51 PM PST

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          •  Part of Congresspeoples' job (1+ / 0-)
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            is pushing for things that benefit your political coalition.  In short, if gerrymandering would help Democrats, they should do it.  Certainly, the Democrats should be pulling out all the stops and playing every brand of dirty politics they know — in order to stop the Republicans from doing it.  Politics is a Machiavellian art, and not for the faint-hearted.  

            Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

            by Big River Bandido on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 02:59:06 PM PST

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      •  Ordinary voters don't care about process. (0+ / 0-)

        People who follow politics intently, daily - these are the only ones who care about that stuff. (Frankly, within this subset, we on the left are far outnumbered by the Limbaugh/RedState/Faux News crowd.) Most people don't read & post on political blogs, don't watch cable news all day. The young people that the Democrats NEED to motivate in order to win elections aren't necessarily interested in the daily goings-on in Washington. What they are interested in is results, or "deliverables" we could say. In 2008 Obama was something to get excited about; by 2010 he had revealed himself to be just another conventional politician. Whether it's cynicism or disillusionment, the problem may just be that young people know that the Democrats either lack the will or the political power to deliver on what they promise.

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