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  •  Abandon the Third Way & embrace populism. (6+ / 0-)

    Not just on the campaign trail but in office.

    Short of that, plan to suffer plutocratic policies and climate change for a long, long time, regardless of demographics.

    Trust, but verify. - Reagan
    Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass
    Pretending that electoral politics is "fighting the good fight" against a government designed to thwart the rights, needs and will of the people is...PATHETIC.

    by Words In Action on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 01:06:45 PM PST

    •  Washington won't be bringing us populism (0+ / 0-)

      that can only happen in the streets.

      It's thought that a 2016 presidential campaign will cost about 5 billion dollars. There is no way that kind of money can be raised without plenty of rich people on board for that candidate. The Dennis Kucinichs and Jill Steins are not going to be elected president.

      So we have to pick the best of what we can have -- someone who will work not only for the plutocrats, but also for the 99%. And then we have to make that person do the right things.

      And finally, we need to bring back a culture of "Question Authority" and good old fashioned anti-capitalist, anti-militarist left-wing fervor. Freeing students from the hold plutocrats have over them with student loans would be a big help to getting all that started again. Just as we need socialized medicine, we need cheap government student loans again.

      Let the plutocrats take a haircut; call the "Romney cut".

      •  but elizabeth warren could (2+ / 0-)
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        Johnny Q, Words In Action

        even based on today's far future prognostications

        and as for kucinich and jill stein, neither of them may be the most dynamic candidate or the best vehicle for progressive policies

        but those progressive policies are indeed mainstream so a democratic presidential nominee who espoused such approaches should do quite well, and, imo, would in fact do phenomenonly well

        i hope elizabeth warren runs and we find out

        our problem is getting progressive candidates nominated bc the party is controlled by the neoliberals

        as elizabeth warren must surely know

        the money problem you identify is within the party, not in the electorate

        •  No President can do anything in this environment (3+ / 0-)

          It's the Congress that makes laws, it's members of Congress that can get re-elected over and over again, and despite all the talk about "the President setting the agenda"...I think we've seen enough the past few years to understand that a President is virtually powerless when the Congress is firmly held by an aggressive, antagonistic, and nihilistic party.  

          Congress is where the real power lies in the American government.  There's good reason that Article I of the Constitution is about the legislative branch, and Article II about the executive.  That's the way the Founders saw it, and in practice, that's truly how it has been.

          Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

          by Big River Bandido on Wed Nov 06, 2013 at 02:56:26 PM PST

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          •  No President can do anything in this environment (0+ / 0-)

            Wildly incorrect. Look at what Obama has done as the Chief Executive and consider the choices he could have made instead. The president remains the single most powerful person in the country, even if Congress as an institution is more powerful than the presidency (which may or may not be so).

            •  You could not have made a worse argument (0+ / 0-)

              with me, than to hold up President Obama's record of reform.  

              Some of the choices he could have made instead:  

              Card check
              immigration reform
              end of Guantanamo and "extraordinary rendition"
              NOT to use drones
              reigning in FISA and the NSA

              I could go on and on...

              Finally, if the President is truly the most powerful person in the country, why is that we've been debating "austerity" for two whole fucking years?

              Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

              by Big River Bandido on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 08:33:06 AM PST

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