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  •  This is going nowhere - right now. (1+ / 0-)
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    Class, repeat after me.
    Overton window.
    Overton window.
    Overton window.

    Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

    by RhodeIslandAspie on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 08:24:52 AM PST

    •  Demand Universal Minimum Wage (2+ / 0-)
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      RhodeIslandAspie, cocinero

      We need people demanding publicly, loudly, and organized for media attention the extreme: the Federal minimum wage should be paid to every working age person before they're considered for any other public assistance, and in addition to any private income. Every working age person. That would cost about $3.4 trillion.

      That would drag the Overton Window back towards properly feeding, clothing, housing, educating and treating every American. Then we might get somewhere, and away from the death spiral the rightwing trolls have dragged us with their Windows monopoly.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 09:00:00 AM PST

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      •  A large part of this battle (0+ / 0-)

        will be to break the conservative argument that we should both despise and envy the poor. We are taught the despise them, because they have supposedly chosen their lot. We are taught to envy them, because it's an allegedly cushy life being on assistance. It's become so part of the narrative, there's a lot of work ahead of us.

        We need to make a convincing argument that seeing to the needs of those on the bottom of the pack is a win win solution.

        The minimum needs to go up, and more importantly, to be indexed. Small increases every year for inflation will be far less disruptive to the economy than bigger increases every ten years or so when the Democrats have the clout to make it happen.

        Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

        by RhodeIslandAspie on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 09:10:48 AM PST

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        •  despise the poor (2+ / 0-)
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          RhodeIslandAspie, jbsoul

          I am not a conservative or a Christian, but in my town the majority of feeding the poor and honoring the less fortunate is done by the downturn churches.  When I see their efforts (lines outside the churches, churches fighting for the homeless against the cops), I feel like joining, but my science and math background makes it hard.  There are nice people, but I would stick out.

          I might be seeing things through a narrow lens, but the Methodists, the Catholics, the Lutherans, and Presbyterians in my town don't seem to despise the poor or if they do, all the work they do must a guilt reaction.   Maybe I am wrong in thinking that since they are Christian, they must be conservative.  

          And is anyone really nuts enough to envy our poor?  Even if they are well taken care of (they are not), almost all psychologists will tell you that self support is the best medicine for self-worth and self-esteem or in other words, a happy life.

          Maybe you shouldn't answer that last question.  I will get really depressed.

          •  Listening to RW talk radio, even for a few minutes (2+ / 0-)
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            will really get you running for the anti-depressants. I do it now and than just to see what they are up to. One of the running themes is how good the poor have it with all the goodies they are allegedly get it. And this is promoted by of course, the same RW talkers who claim that the media is left wing.

            I've been on disability in the past, and it's no fun making ends meet. I'm as frugal as hell, and was paying low rent, and it was still difficult. There's nothing like being out with a friend and they want to stop and eat, and you just get a coke, because you don't want to break the budget for a month, so you just claim you aren't hungy.

            I think the people you see working in the church soup kitchens are a different crowd than you see working for the right wing, even in Catholic and evangelical circles. They are seeing the reality of the poor every day and how they are living. They know there are some hucksters out for a freebee, but they also know that the vast majority are genuinely behind the eight ball and just trying to survive day to day.

            Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

            by RhodeIslandAspie on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 09:49:01 AM PST

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      •  Higher minimum wage would (3+ / 0-)
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        increase revenue for the SS Trust Fund.

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