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  •  to that end (2+ / 0-)
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    Slightly Wobbly, tb mare

    we should reduce the Medicaid age to match SS eligibility.

    Too many older people today are waiting until they are 65 to retire because of they get employer health care, even though SS would otherwise start at 62.

    if they are employed, they likely make too much money to qualify for subsidies through the ACA, so they continue working 3 more years until Medicaid eligible.

    It sounds terrible but if we can encourage older workers to leave the workforce at age 62, then we can create opportunities for younger workers.

    •  I think you mean Medicare. n/t (0+ / 0-)
    •  extending the retirement age (2+ / 0-)
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      not this time, cocinero

      This idea goes entirely in the wrong direction.  I am one of those old farts that would seriously consider early retirement if not for the prospect of losing health insurance.

      All I really need is to clear that one obstacle and I'd get out of the way and let a younger person take my place.  That creates a pull, opening up spots all along the ladder, thereby easing the unemployment numbers.  There's even the possibility that my leaving might call for multiple replacements, since 30+ years of knowledge and experience might not be so easily filled by a single person.

      Multiply that by ?how many?, and see what that does to the economy.

    •  Which does zero for improving the economy (0+ / 0-)
      encourage older workers to leave the workforce at age 62, then we can create opportunities for younger workers.
      Ah the "get out of my way old man" routine. SO you would rather throw us Boomers under the bus than advocate for the necessary infrastructural changes needed to stabilize the economy and create jobs.

      I love the shortsightedness, it should do you well in life.

      .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 12:15:42 PM PST

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      •  As a Boomer... (0+ / 0-)

        we allowed this economic mess to happen. From FDR until the 1980s, when we had strong social programs, the US reached its height of shared wealth AND productivity. We  inexplicably reversed course with Reagan. Many of us deeply opposed the Reagan/Clinton dismantling of the safety net. (President Obama did begin repairing some of Clinton's damage.) Collectively, we have an absolute duty to do everything we can to repair some of the damage we caused.Of course wiping out Social Security would be insane, counter-productive at best. Neither families nor govt (general revenues) can maintain retirees and  disabled workers. Either we force families to financially provide for their own elderly and disabled family members (which would bankrupt most), or we build a massive system of institutions to warehouse them, at far greater cost than Social Security itself.

        •  Fewer jobs (0+ / 0-)

            No one seems to address the issue of themillions of jobs which have been outsourced leading tf fewer participants in the paying of SS, Federal income taxes,state taxes, workman's  compensation  as well as the overall economy.

    •  Medicaid, Medicare, ACA (0+ / 0-)

      Many low-wage workers qualify for Medicaid. The ACA provides subsidies to lower-income workers to purchase insurance.

      As an older American: Yes, many of us have been fighting against raising the retirement age AND encouraging older people to step out of the workforce whenever possible, due to the shortage of jobs for the young.  Since Reagan, the US has shipped out the bulk of our manufacturing jobs.  As jobs started growing scarce, Clinton shredded welfare, pouring more people into the shrinking job market. Fewer jobs, more people absolutely desperate for any job. Instead of actively discouraging shipping our jobs out, corps get massive annual tax cuts, which they use to build factories outside the US, shipping our jobs out.

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