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View Diary: Firearms Law and Policy Open Thread - What is a background check anyway? Wednesday Nov. 6, 2013 (74 comments)

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  •  It's in comment earlier in this Open Thread diary (0+ / 0-)

    I don't accept this as an example of the problem. Recced even though this given example reads like a movie scene or a fantasy based on 1970s or 1990s crime.

    And the poor bar owner in a bad neighborhood still has to close up shop every morning at 2am while carrying home the days cash and is an easy target to the thugs who know the community intimately.
    There are thousands of business that are open late, or close late and they don't have seem to have a compelling need to carry the cash out in the middle of the night.

    Our hypothetical bar owner has all the same options, if they have a criminal background or mental health history that precludes carrying a gun in public. Install a safe in the bar, and go to the bank during daylight hours is one option.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 08:04:12 AM PST

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    •  Most bar owners I know (0+ / 0-)

      Close the business down and sleep all day.  Then report for the night shift.  Why should that guy change how that business has been run for 100 years?  (I know this through experience).  It's also a fact that the majority of carry permit holders operate businesses such as this.

      So, are you saying that running a predominately cash business isn't a good enough reason to carry a gun (when in fact "no reason" is constitutionally necessary?  Because that reason is precisely enough in the most restrictive state in the country, as well.

    •  I think what you're missing here is the (1+ / 0-)
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      difference in treatment based on class and/or wealth of the applicants. What it boils down to is, people who might actually have real need for a firearm for self-defense are refused permits while the wealthy and connected sail right through the process. It's not like that's exactly a new thing in NYC either.

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