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  •  Axelrod's waaay overrated...bigger ACA prob's... (23+ / 0-)

    ...immediately ahead...

    Top U.S. insurer sees weak Obamacare sign-ups, prepares for delay, Reuters (11/6/13)

    Look to the health insurer's "revised" revenue projections for some of the realities, ahead! They're always playing the "expectations game" in the markets; and, those tell us a LOT.

    And, then there's some of the more reality-based reporting from inside the Party on Capitol Hill...

    Obama gets earful from Senate Democrats about health law woes, Reuters (11/7/13)

    Yes, the optimism and spin in the Party, and even moreso in this community, about the underbelly of the ACA rollout, is being supplanted by a calendar that holds no prisoners and suffers no bullshit in our reality-based world.

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 06:41:07 AM PST

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    •  yep (10+ / 0-)
      about the underbelly of the ACA rollout, is being supplanted by a calendar that holds no prisoners and suffers no bullshit in our reality-based world.
      and 2014 is only eight weeks away. And i have yet to hear about the contingency plans if the website cannot be made functional in the next three weeks.

      Are we really going to start the new year will millions of people having lost their healthcare coverage? This could make people forget New Coke.

      •  The only question my mentor asked me when (11+ / 0-)

        I presented him with my very first computer program was

        What are you going to do when it fails?

        That's a question I took with my on every project throughout my career.   No one can do project management without knowing their critical points of failure.  It's never been a web site problem, it's a project management problem.

      •  Has that really been addressed by the White House (1+ / 0-)
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        or the HHS?

        Are we really going to start the new year will millions of people having lost their healthcare coverage? This could make people forget New Coke.
        If they can't sign up by December 15, 2013, what are they supposed to do?

        Sebelius said during her testimony, paraphrasing, that most insurance companies have a small window of a few weeks to choose their next year's coverage, Medicare has I think a month, but the ACA HAS SIX MONTHS.

      •  there isn't one website (0+ / 0-)

        "And i have yet to hear about the contingency plans if the website cannot be made functional in the next three weeks."

        There are many websites.  Every state that has its own exchange has its own website.

        What Maryland is doing is something that the government should be doing at large.  Maryland not only has help phone lines for people who don't want to use the website, they also have regional offices in every part of the state, where a person could walk in and talk to a human being about getting enrolled in the program.

        The problem with fixing websites is that often the amount of time needed is hard to determine until all of the bugs are fixed.  And the issues here are not with the website so much as with how the various servers communicate with each other.  

        Rather than stressing over the website, the administration should just make sure that people have access to a way to get enrolled in the program itself.

        That's not the same thing.

    •  I would like to read that Reuters story (2+ / 0-)
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      about the Senate Dems, but I get a malware warning and the site shuts down when I go there.

      And I have Ad Block running.

      "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." -- Mark Twain

      by Brooke In Seattle on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 07:29:06 AM PST

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      •  Here's the text... (7+ / 0-)

        By Steve Holland and Roberta Rampton

        WASHINGTON/DALLAS | Wed Nov 6, 2013 10:20pm EST

        (Reuters) - President Barack Obama met on Wednesday with frustrated Senate Democrats, some of whom fear the disastrous rollout of his signature healthcare law could complicate their already difficult re-election fights in 2014.

        The Obama administration has faced intense criticism since hundreds of thousands of people had their health insurance policies canceled because the plans do not meet new benefit requirements, despite Obama's pledge that Americans could keep their current plans under Obamacare.

        The fallout has been exacerbated by the fact that those affected cannot shop easily for insurance alternatives on the malfunctioning website, HealthCare.gov.

        Obama, joined by Vice President Joe Biden, sat down with 16 Senate Democrats, 15 of them who are up for re-election next year, many of them facing competitive races.

        One of the senators, Mark Begich of Alaska, said he expressed his frustration at the website during the two-hour session. It has not worked properly since going live on October 1.

        "It's absolutely unacceptable in this day and age that the administration can't deliver on the promises it made to all Americans because of technical problems with a website," Begich said.

        Senate Mark Pryor of Arkansas said after the meeting, "The American people are frustrated with the White House's botched rollout of the Affordable Care Act, and I am too." Pryor said he wants Obama to hold "individuals in charge" accountable for the launch.

        The meeting came just before Obama left for Dallas to speak at two fundraisers for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

        Obama told donors that 2014 congressional elections would be a tough fight.

        "The math is difficult for the Senate," Obama said. "If we don't give them the help that they need, then we could end up with a situation in which we've got a majority Republican Senate along with a majority Republican House."

        In a sign of its political potency, the rocky launch of Obamacare appeared to help Republican Ken Cuccinelli cut into the lead enjoyed by Democratic Party insider Terry McAuliffe, who won Tuesday's election for Virginia governor.

        'GOING TO GET THIS DONE'

        Some of the senators have said they want the enrollment period extended beyond March 31. But Obama believes there is enough time to fix HealthCare.gov and get people enrolled, White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters.

        "We'll be able to do that within the six-month enrollment period that we talked about," Carney said aboard Air Force One.

        As many as 7 million Americans were expected to sign up for coverage in the first year through the online exchanges established under the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The law, upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court last year, mandates everyone have healthcare insurance coverage or pay a tax.

        A significant shortfall in enrollees, particularly among young and healthy people who cost less to insure, would undermine the ability of the exchanges to work financially.

        Before the fundraisers in Dallas, Obama met about 100 volunteers helping people sign up for health insurance.

        Dallas-Fort Worth has 1.1 million people without health insurance. In his motorcade, Obama passed protesters holding signs saying: "LIAR!" and "No Obamacare."

        He got a warm welcome from volunteers and thanked them for their help and urged them to keep working with the uninsured.

        "I just want all of you to remember that as challenging as this may seem sometimes, as frustrating as Healthcare.Gov may be sometimes, we are going to get this done," Obama said.

        Obama's top healthcare lieutenant was on Capitol Hill again on Wednesday where senators from both parties asked for details on the problems.

        Democratic Senator Max Baucus, chairman of the U.S. Senate Finance Committee, said he was disappointed to hear the administration say it did not see problems with HealthCare.gov coming.

        "When we asked for updates on the marketplaces, the responses we got were totally unsatisfactory. We heard multiple times that everything was on track. We now know that was not the case," he told Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

        Obama said the website should be operating smoothly for most people by the end of November.

        "Right now, I'm not happy with some IT (information technology) people in Washington," he told donors at one of the fundraisers in Dallas.

        His comment came after a shakeup at the government technology office that supervised HealthCare.gov.

        Tony Trenkle, head of technology at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, is leaving the agency for the private sector, CMS spokeswoman Julie Bataille said on Wednesday.

        She said he "oversees all of our IT functions," but declined to describe his role in the website or say whether he had been asked to leave.

        (Reporting by Steve Holland and Roberta Rampton; Additional reporting by Susan Cornwell; Editing by Karey Van Hall, Mohammad Zargham and Peter Cooney)

        "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

        by bobswern on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 07:53:49 AM PST

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    •  They're focused on the Grand Bargain & TPP (6+ / 0-)

      Two items on their agenda that they want passed as quickly and quietly as possible, preferably before Congress recesses for the Holidays.

      This ACA stuff is a big distraction for them.

      If cutting Social Security & Medicare benefits for low income seniors is what Democrats do after they win a budget standoff, I'd hate to see what they do after they lose one.

      by Betty Pinson on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 07:38:34 AM PST

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      •  Corporate interests have been above the (2+ / 0-)
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        people's interests in this administration in almost every single case and serious decision point.  There's no getting around the fact that this is a heavily Wall Street/Corporate White House from beginning to end.

        Is that Obama's fault? Does he really believe that way or does he believe he is helping people?  Well, he appointed all the people who are doing this work. The buck stops at the Oval Office desk.  

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 01:05:09 PM PST

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    •  Well said (3+ / 0-)
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      Obamacare will create well-deserving winners, and I wish them the best, but it's also going to create undeserving losers.

      Unfortunately, it seems many here are clinging to some all-winners fantasy and pretend the undeserving losers don't exist. Hence these manifestations of textbook cognitive dissonance:

      1. People are lying about how much Obamacare is hurting them. [rec list]
      2. People and the media are lying about the healthcare.gov Web site because of the diarist's anecdote involving an unclear goal, so everyone should please stop saying healthcare.gov doesn't work. [rec list]
      3. Diarist with negative experiences been around on DKos for years but has a comment history that has a whiff of Saturnian energy and too many words with a numerological value of 6? Busted! Right-wing infiltrator.

      Fortunately, there'll soon be a critical mass of negative experiences in which these knee-jerk, unhelpful-to-ACA responses give way to something more reasonable and considered. As noted in a recent diary, I believe the more reasonable response will be a refined version of the "junk insurance" angle -- but it remains to be seen whether that's going to placate people who insist they knew what they were paying for and had a history of approved claims for acceptable premiums/co-pays/deductibles.

    •  CBS reported the meeting with the (4+ / 0-)
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      Senators and implied that the meeting was held so that the Democratic senators could tell their constituents that they met with Obama to complain about the ACA.  (Implying that will cover them in their reelection.)

    •  That's why if Obama hadn't been so keen on the (9+ / 0-)

      idea that corporations are the savior of this great nation, he'd have fought tooth and nail for single payer trying to get a majority of public opinion on his side even if it didn't pass for no other reason than to start squeezing the insurance industry's balls in a vice.

      He had his shot, but he chose corporations over people-powered government like a sucker thinking a "three-card Monte" dealer was actually being a nice friendly guy that was actually rooting for his success.

      Instead, now the insurance industry has momentum on their side and are starting to take advantage.

      And the law demands people buy in.

      Fuck.



      "We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."

      - Louis Brandies

      by Pescadero Bill on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 08:53:34 AM PST

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