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  •  I was going to specifically call out IE6 (7+ / 0-)

    IE 9 was a cakewalk compared to IE 6.  And so many companies stuck with IE 6 for so many years...many reasons for that too lengthy to go into in a short comment.

    Bottom line is that a vast majority of big companies are still stuck in IE 8 - and that's it.  If you can't or won't design for IE 8 (internal and external customers, don't give me no friggin' Safari or Firefux or tablet browser...) then you're leaving a lot of potential business on the table.  

    Heck, it's hard to believe how many companies are just now migrating from XP to Win7.  Microsoft is going to have to develop a corporate upgrade path from Win7 to Win10 when it's released, none of this "yo, we don't support full upgrade from XP, only our failed Vista rollout" shit.

    Don't get me started...

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    by Richard Cranium on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 03:43:14 PM PST

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    •  Never fails to amaze me (2+ / 0-)
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      how many people still use these old browsers from five years ago. Even weirder is when I run into clients - we're talking heads of companies, people who are paying thousands of dollars to BUILD a website - who mention some site issue, and inevitably they are running IE7 on XP or something like that :)

      Apparently nothing will ever teach these people that the other 99 percent of the population exist. —George Orwell

      by ukit on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 03:10:45 AM PST

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      •  It's because (1+ / 0-)
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        If it ain't broke, why fix it. They see no reason to upgrade because everything they have works fine, and until either the hardware fails or they're forced to use new software that doesn't work on what they've got, they won't upgrade.

        Upgrades cost money. A lot of money in hardware/software costs, downtime, training, and manpower. If they don't have to, they won't.

        I work at a college, we don't have a lot of choice in most cases. We have to be using the latest versions, or close to, of most things because if the students buy something, that's what they'll get. And the textbooks will be for the latest version too.

        Were still on win7, but will likely have to go to win8 before the end of next year. We plan on going to office 365 and creative cloud as well.

        •  I understand the money thing, but... (3+ / 0-)
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          ...this old software IS broken. It's just that it's broken in ways that aren't necessarily visible to the untrained eye. Like lack of modern web standards compliance and security holes. There are costs to that, but they're less visible to the people making decisions in many cases.

          I do think that too much gratuitous upgrading does take place in many cases. But the flip side is also a huge problem: people and organizations often hold on to dead, unsupported software for way too long. That might have been okay in 1985, but it's not really a good idea now because all of our systems are now networked to all of the other systems in the world. And need to play nice with whatever everyone else is now using.

          It's one thing if it really is meeting all needs perfectly: there's no reason to replace a working system with something new just because it's "upgraded". But usually that's not the case: most of the time, people just accept gradually degrading performance and reliability as their old software rots.

          So while I agree with "if it ain't broke, why fix it", I also think people need to keep in mind "if it IS broken badly, FIX IT".

      •  I have a very functional G5 with a motorola (1+ / 0-)
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        chip inside it.

        I've maxed out on my OS and on all software, including browsers.

        It's useful to keep old browsers for test drives: what is degrading gracefully? What can be fixed? What interface to I know and don't need to f*ck around with?

        •  I use a testing service (0+ / 0-)

          http://www.browserstack.com

          Allows you to test a site on pretty much any browser+OS combination including iOS, Android, etc. Thankfully differences between browsers seems to be less of an issue these days than in the past. I believe part of the HTML5 spec (the behind the scenes part) was intended to standardize rendering behavior of browsers to some extent.

          Apparently nothing will ever teach these people that the other 99 percent of the population exist. —George Orwell

          by ukit on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 01:22:57 PM PST

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