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  •  If you're replying to me ... (2+ / 0-)
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    Heavy Mettle, 43north

    I am not sure where you're getting that quote.  My point is not about guns and gun owners.  It is about economics and when one is paid to do a job, you should be expected to do it.  If you don't agree with your employer, there are professional ways to handle that disagreement.  Regardless of whether or not I agree with his position, Metcalf's actions were not professional, in my opinion.

    •  The writer said people don't have a right to use (5+ / 0-)

      guns irresponsibly, and the backlash to this statement resulted in his firing. So the only possible conclusion is they think they should be able to use guns irresponsibly

      •  Gotcha! (1+ / 0-)
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        Heavy Mettle

        Let me read the article and then I will comment on this thought line.  I think it is an interesting point for discussion.  Please Stand By.

        •  Follow up .... (4+ / 0-)

          After reading the article, I don't think that the backlash was from the statement about using guns responsibly or not.  Rather I think he ran afoul of the "the 2nd is the only permit I need" and "any regulation is an infringement" crowd.

          My comment on this is: the wording of the 2nd is rather unfortunate, in particular the use of the word regulated and the mention of militias.  Realizing that language changes, I think that the common usage of these terms today is not how they were meant 250 years ago.  Thankfully, it is the court's job to interpret these meanings, not mine, which they have done and I think that the 2nd can be succinctly re-stated as "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed", but again that is just my opinion.  As a point of clarification, I think the same "shall not be infringed" concept applies to the 1st, and other, amendments as well and the 2nd is not unique in this regard.  It just has unique wording.

          This leads to the question of what is infringement?  The courts have also said that reasonable regulation (control) is not an infringement.  Right or wrong, they have also not defined what is reasonable regulation, but only provided a few examples.  This is a lot of why there is controversy.

          In response to your question, I doubt that most individuals, or dare I say "a reasonable person" as is so often used in legal speak, would say that people have a right to use guns irresponsibly.   This begs the question of whether the enraged respondents (G&A readers) are reasonable people.

    •  Your comment is irrelevant. (3+ / 0-)
      If you don't agree with your employer, there are professional ways to handle that disagreement.
      What the fuck are you talking about? The managing editor obviously saw the piece before the magazine was printed.

      You're judgment on the whether or not Metcalf was "professional" is stupid. The managing editor saw fit to print the piece, so how did Metcalf act "unprofessionally?"

      Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

      by Bob Johnson on Thu Nov 07, 2013 at 10:37:53 AM PST

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      •  While I agree it was sent "up the flagpole" (0+ / 0-)

        There are often contractual or ethical "rights" regarding changing content.

        "Dick, are you certain you want to say this?  Here's my suggestions for an edit."

        "Dick, it's your page, your content."

        "Dick, if this starts a shitstorm, it's on you.  
        Our policy is to never alter the content of the Opinions page"

        I'm also jaded-enough, that if a contractual issue was behind this, his words could have been "edited for content, available space, and/or clarity".
        Having been the victim of this, (content alteration) when all of a sudden my content matched the editor's long-held position.
        Who'da thunk it.

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