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  •  Not in a meritocracy. I am not a communist. (0+ / 0-)

    The floor for working families regardless of size is to keep them out of poverty and to provide them with equal and affordable opportunities to strive and achieve.   People with higher skills do deserve more money.   Today's advanced manufacturing and skill trade jobs pay about $10 - 12/hr to start.   MI is have tremendous labor shortages in this area.   No one trusts mfg or that Wall Street Democrats that keep supporting banks and making money over making product and a society are selling this country up the river.   They are the neoliberals to which I refer.   Specifically,  that would be Bill Clinton and Obama.   It is why I will never support Hillary.  She, like Booker and Christie, will be Wall Street financed.  

    What we need is a Democrat in the White House. Warren 2016

    by dkmich on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 08:43:27 AM PST

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    •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

      I'm unable to parse that wall of text you just wrote. I can't get meaning out of it other than you don't like the Clintons and Obama because neoliberal. The stuff above that I can't parse.

      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

      by raptavio on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 08:46:05 AM PST

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      •  sorry. (0+ / 0-)

        The wage floor for working families regardless of size should be designed to keep them at or above poverty.  Our goal should be to provide everyone with an equal opportunity to afford to improve themselves and their place in life.    

        My point about the jobs that still exist is that they either pay a poverty wage ($10-12/hr) or they want a 23 year old with 10 years of experience.    Because of NAFTA, banking deregulation, media consolidation, money in politics, and soon TPP, Clinton and Obama are the neoliberals that I do not like or trust.   We need to move our economy from "making money" to "making product".  

        If we quit killing our middle class, educational institutions, and our jobs, people will have the opportunity to earn a "living" wage.

        Is this better?

        What we need is a Democrat in the White House. Warren 2016

        by dkmich on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 09:09:44 AM PST

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        •  What I'm getting from what you said (1+ / 0-)
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          is that you feel setting a minimum wage is irrelevant because we need to be growing the middle class via unspecified policies, and that the Clintons and Obama are enemies of that goal because they oppose said unspecified policies.

          That seems mighty vague.

          "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

          by raptavio on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 09:38:59 AM PST

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    •  "People with higher skills do deserve more money." (1+ / 0-)
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      Define higher, please.

      I'm probably making a lot more money today working on this set of Excel spreadsheets (and, incidentally, poking my head into DKos while I wait for feedback from my boss) than the guy at the pizza place twenty floors downstairs from me is making today working on a bunch of thin-crusts and Sicilian-styles.

      I'm not sure my job -- today, at least -- involves a more difficult skill, or one that took more effort to learn.  I've got no idea which of us would take longer to train if we had to switch jobs.  I'm damn sure that my job is physically easier than his, and that it's not that much mentally harder, if at all.

      I'm not arguing that my job shouldn't pay more than his, but it would be nice to know that it doesn't pay more for purely arbitrary reasons.

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