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    All profit-making businesses seek to extract wealth and labor from the communities where they exist and divert it to the owners.
    You say this like it's a bad thing.

    If a factory moves into a town, that town is richer than it would otherwise have been, not poorer.

    Even Walmart sells goods for low prices, which increases the standard of living for most people in the town.

    Corporations can only exist if they provide something of tangible value to someone somewhere. If they don't provide something, they don't exist. They can't just walk in and take whatever they want. They need customers.

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    by Sparhawk on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 05:04:45 PM PST

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    •  Walmart is more like a parasite (3+ / 0-)
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      In the end, they kill the host they prey upon. Meanwhile, they suck the blood out of their victims as long as they can.

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      by Zinman on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 05:37:24 PM PST

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      •  Walmart USED to be a wonderful chain (1+ / 0-)
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        All US-made products at reasonable prices, good working conditions, decent pay. A lot of its market dominance was established during that period.

        Then it switched its business model to selling the cheapest possible imported goods (and goodbye to all the US jobs producing American-made goods that used to be sold there) and touting itself as the "lowest-price" place to shop (good thing, too, since those now-unemployed US workers can't afford much more), purposefully price-setting to undercut the local competition till they went out of business and then -- oh, what a shock! -- the prices would creep up, workers' hours would get cut, and every penny that could be squeezed out in profit with as little investment as possible...was.

        Sparhawk, you do have a point, but a lot of Walmart's "success" was originally built under a very different business model, and the truth of the matter is that ruthless business practices can result in extremely successful companies that are nevertheless exceedingly bad for the local economy and society at large. Sadly, Walmart demonstrably does not increase the standard of living in the neighborhoods in which stores are located -- whether it raises or lowers the standards of living for the workers in China, Bangladesh, and other countries where the goods sold at WalMart are now produced is not a question I personally have an answer to. But for effect on US economy, here's one article. Teh Google, and "Walmart standard of living" will help you locate more, if you're interested.

        •  Walmart used to be a good chain of stores... (1+ / 0-)
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          Yes, back when Sam Walton was still alive and leading the corporation.  But when he died his kids took over the chain and completely changed the business model, destroying over time all the good things that Sam Walton had accomplished.  Old Sam would be turning over in his grave if he saw his company now, and would probably disown his family.

          •  Sal Walton was NEVER the good guy so many people (0+ / 0-)

            think he was.  He underpaid his workers and gave them only part time work from Day One.  

            And his Buy American campaign was a fraud.  For example, he and a business partner set up an import company which imported goods from China, then Walmart bought them from Sam's American-based import company, allowing him to claim that his Chinese goods were bought from an American company.

            He also instituted a policy that suppliers would have to sell goods to Wal-Mart at constantly lower prices, which made them cut expenses, which often meant cutting wages of their own workers and/or layoffs and, eventually, to his suppliers outsourcing their production to overseas sweatshops, a policy that started to gain steam in the 1980s under Sam Walton's direction.  So, again, the product might be an American brand, but it certainly wasn't made in America.

    •  There's a tipping point (1+ / 0-)
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      Wal-Mart may have tipped over it.

      They pioneered "just in time" logistics.
      They used to provide Made-in-the-USA goods.

      Then they discovered loopholes.
      If you only have a person work 32 hours you needn't cover their health insurance or pension plan -- but if they work 32 hours and you don't give them a steady schedule, they won't be able to find a better job until after you've run off all your competition.

      They're very much this century's Peabody Coal Company.

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      by BlackSheep1 on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 11:18:22 PM PST

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    •  Profit, but not parasitism (0+ / 0-)

      I am a capitalist myself, and support making a profit, but I don't pay workers such that they need food stamps and welfare to make ends meet.  I resent that my taxes go to support WalMart, by my taxes going to put food in the mouths of THEIR WORKERS, whom they do not pay enough to allow the workers the dignity of living on their wages.  Read "The WalMart Effect, and see how their stores CREATE poverty instead of providing jobs.  It's appalling.

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