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  •  High-speed chase is a crime (4+ / 0-)

    The police turned a property crime into a life and death situation by electing to pursue a high-speed chase through a populated area.  

    Ames isn't all that big a city, and nothing in this diary or in the comments indicates that the kid was doing anything dangerous to others before the cop initiated the chase.  They would almost certainly been able to take him under much safer circumstances if they had elected to do so.  

    When public safety is a factor, high-speed chases are rarely justified, and in the case of minor property crimes, a good case could be made that they are never justified.  

    btw, does anyone know the chase policies of the involved agencies?  Some agencies would require the pursuing officer to break off the chase when the kid entered an area such as ISU campus.

    •  exactly, the suspect was already identified (1+ / 0-)
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      lyvwyr101

      as the owner's son when the vehicle theft pursuit began, although exacerbated by the kid's panic and desire to get rid of the trailer in the smartest way possible in order to flee also got the cops' blood up

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      by annieli on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 01:45:10 PM PST

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      •  "The kid's panic" (3+ / 0-)
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        You know, the kid could, at ANY TIME, chosen to pull over.  In fact, he could have chose to pull over the very first moment he first saw police lights in his rear view mirror.

        If the kid was panicking, it was self-initiated.  Don't fault the cops for doing their job in trying to pull someone over for breaking the law.

        •  but he didn't pull over alas, and broke the law (2+ / 0-)
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          and died for his mistake

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          by annieli on Fri Nov 08, 2013 at 02:27:56 PM PST

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          •  He made a LOT of mistakes. (3+ / 0-)

            He stole his dad's truck.  He ran from the cops.  He continued to run from the cops.  He rammed the cops.  He continued to run from the cops. He endangered bystanders.  He continued to run from the cops.  He drove onto a college campus and damaged more property in the process.  He endangered more bystanders.  And did I mention he continued to run from the cops?

            You make it sound like the kid made one tiny inconsequential mistake.  In point of fact the kid made many mistakes, escalating in severity, and he could have chosen at any time NOT to make them.

    •  Dispatcher says Back Off (2+ / 0-)
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      At about the 2:06 mark, I think the dispatcher says something about "coming up on a college area, want to back off?" And again at about the 3:12 "can probably back off".

      •  Dispatchers are civilians (0+ / 0-)

        and that was only a recommendation.  Apparently it's not even clear if the office could have heard the second dispatcher comment as he was already exiting the vehicle.

      •  Chase protocol & training (0+ / 0-)

        It sure looked as if either the agency didn't have a chase protocol, or the cop could wasn't trained, or worse, the cop disregarded policy and training - and that's before 6 rounds were pumped into a kid in a stalled vehicle.  

        Here's a study of chase policies by the National Institute of Justice.  There's probably other helpful information floating around on the intertubes.  

        https://www.ncjrs.gov/...

        It's best to keep an open mind, but I do see a lot of lawyers converging on this one.  

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